Count To Five

[sitarman]

1) IIRC there are only 9 settings, not 10. The longest setting on rev k/l boards should be 8.1069 seconds. The next longest is half that (4.05...) then half again... until the shortest setting which is 31.67ms.

The 8 seconds your mention is that with the 1 octave down forward setting? I just tested it with the unison setting (dir 1 knob at about 2 o' clock). And then the maximum delay is exactly 4 seconds. You can play with a metronome at BPM 60 and then the next repeat comes after 4 beats.

2) The signal is fedback from the read to the write head. 0% feedback means that nothing from the read head is fedback to the write head. That does not necessarily imply any particular number of repeats should be heard. For example, at different speeds (DIR 1 setting) the read head may encounter a certain memory space several times inbetween writes to that space, since the write head is always moving at a fixed speed. It is also entirely possible certain memory spaces are not encountered at all inbetween writes, and no repeats of portions the audio are heard at all.

Yes I have noticed that too. In unison mode the repeats come at exactly the same time after the first attack. Therefor you can use it as standard delay pedal and sync it to a beat. Very cool!! But when not in unison mode it is unpredictable when the first repeats comes because you don't know were the write head is. So like you said it can be that some times no repeats are coming. Especially when in octave down setting. Even when having the feedback knob to 100% I sometimes only hear only one repeat when in octave down setting. Would be more 'practical' if the write head would retrigger after the first attack. That way you could also use the other (non-unison) as a standard delay pedal (with pitch changes). Now it is hard to sync the repeats when using other settings than unison.

[multi_s]

The 8 seconds your mention is that with the 1 octave down forward setting? I just tested it with the unison setting (dir 1 knob at about 2 o' clock). And then the maximum delay is exactly 4 seconds. You can play with a metronome at BPM 60 and then the next repeat comes after 4 beats.

The buffer is definitely 8 seconds. The delay depends on the read head position compared to the write head. You could have a very short delay, even in the 8 second buffer. When you switch buffer lengths the read head is spaced at half the buffer length, the furthest place in the buffer in either direction form the write head. So if you have DIR 1 at 2 o clock then switch to the longest buffer, it will be lagging the write head by about 4 seconds. You could try to slow it down, then bring it back to unity. you will see the delay is now longer, you can achieve a max of 8 seconds.

Yes I have noticed that too. In unison mode the repeats come at exactly the same time after the first attack. Therefor you can use it as standard delay pedal and sync it to a beat. Very cool!! But when not in unison mode it is unpredictable when the first repeats comes because you don't know were the write head is. So like you said it can be that some times no repeats are coming. Especially when in octave down setting. Even when having the feedback knob to 100% I sometimes only hear only one repeat when in octave down setting. Would be more 'practical' if the write head would retrigger after the first attack. That way you could also use the other (non-unison) as a standard delay pedal (with pitch changes). Now it is hard to sync the repeats when using other settings than unison.

It's a neat idea but im not sure i would change it to that, also i don;t think the result would be "stnadard" since once you are non unison the delay times are always changing, even if you triggered the heads to some predetermined position. ie after the first repeat the second repeat will come at a different spacing. But triggering it based on your playing is certainly an interesting idea.

[sitarman]

The 8 seconds your mention is that with the 1 octave down forward setting? I just tested it with the unison setting (dir 1 knob at about 2 o' clock). And then the maximum delay is exactly 4 seconds. You can play with a metronome at BPM 60 and then the next repeat comes after 4 beats.

The buffer is definitely 8 seconds. The delay depends on the read head position compared to the write head. You could have a very short delay, even in the 8 second buffer. When you switch buffer lengths the read head is spaced at half the buffer length, the furthest place in the buffer in either direction form the write head. So if you have DIR 1 at 2 o clock then switch to the longest buffer, it will be lagging the write head by about 4 seconds. You could try to slow it down, then bring it back to unity. you will see the delay is now longer, you can achieve a max of 8 seconds.

Not sure if I understand you. When I am in Mode 1 unison (dir 1 at 2 o'clock) and have the len B at max (all the way to the right, so longest buffer) I always hear the same 4 seconds delay. All repeats are always spaced the same 4 seconds when in unison setting. How can I slow that down? How exactly do I achieve the 8 seconds?

I have send you a video of the detuned octaves.

[multi_s]

Not sure if I understand you. When I am in Mode 1 unison (dir 1 at 2 o'clock) and have the len B at max (all the way to the right, so longest buffer) I always hear the same 4 seconds delay. All repeats are always spaced the same 4 seconds when in unison setting. How can I slow that down? How exactly do I achieve the 8 seconds?

I have send you a video of the detuned octaves.

Ok thank you i will check the video.

to slow it down i mean turn DIR 1 counter clockwise, then back clockwise to 2 oclock, now measure the delay time.

in general this is not the best pedal to try to use as a normal delay.

[Zijnzijn Zijnzijn!]

Hey yall, I hope this is a good place to post this

I've got a 2015 model of this that I just bought from someone (like, no Q switch model). Everything works as it should except for mode three - the third knob doesn't do anything in this mode, even with the exp switch moved down to the third position. like, knobs 1 and 2 will make sound, but no matter what position knob 3 is in, there's only two things moving. is this like a thing i can fix or should i send it in?

[multi_s]

Hey yall, I hope this is a good place to post this

I've got a 2015 model of this that I just bought from someone (like, no Q switch model). Everything works as it should except for mode three - the third knob doesn't do anything in this mode, even with the exp switch moved down to the third position. like, knobs 1 and 2 will make sound, but no matter what position knob 3 is in, there's only two things moving. is this like a thing i can fix or should i send it in?

You can do a quick inspection yourself if you want, just take off the back plate and see if maybe a wire broke off the switch. There is a grey ribbon cable and three of the wires will be soldered onto the E switch. Its possible one is broken, it would be one reason why you get this behavior. If you know how to solder it would be an easy fix, although this might not ultimately be the issue.

Or you can send it in as per the instructions on this page.

http://mtlasm.blogspot.ca/p/return.html

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[sitarman]

to slow it down i mean turn DIR 1 counter clockwise, then back clockwise to 2 oclock, now measure the delay time.

in general this is not the best pedal to try to use as a normal delay.

ok, thanks! I have tried that for an hour or so now. I have managed to slow it down somewhat but never to 8 seconds. Say I am in 'fifths and octaves' Q setting. I start in unison (2 o'clock) and reset the Len B buffer, so I have 4 seconds delay. Then I turn counter clockwise to octave down (about 12 o'clock) without resetting the buffer and then back again clockwise to unison. Is that correct? I use this delay looping frippertronics style a lot. That's why I want to really understand how it works so I can predict what the repeats do and anticipate on that while playing. Sorry for all the questions.

I have to say I also like the CT5 as a standard delay when using unison. I have achieved some pretty cool delays with it that I can sync to certain BPM's in dotted eight, quarters and also triplets. Also with the none mode you can achieve some cool modulated delays by detuning it a bit with the dir 1 knob. Maybe not as flexible for standard delay stuff but certainly very nice.

[sitarman]

Have been playing with the CT5 for at least two hours every day this week. Didn't get much sleep because of it. Here some soundscape improvs I did this morning. Combined it with my Axe fx. The second one has some more experimental sounds and even some percussive guitar loops in the end. Happy with my new pedal!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0yhdxMQSuk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFwVzuESG5E[/youtube]

[voerking]

i feel like a lot of people are trying to make the CT5 what they want it to be instead of embracing what it is & enjoying its idiosyncrasies.

(this is not directed at anyone in particular, just an observation after reading 100 pages "what if it did this?" / "can you make it do this?" /etc...etc...)


carry on.

[multi_s]

ya but it is ok with me. most people making the comments in this thread have already supported me in some monitary way so im interested in hearing what people have to say.

digital plasticity is a real thing. it's why, even though there have not been much updates, i made sure to get usb user side reflashability on this unit even since the oldest revs.

anyway im about to take some vacay, much love to all 100 pages. tgifml.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfph4a5OluU[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt5tRaV3iY0[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN2H4b4icpA[/youtube]

[sitarman]

I wish you a good vacation Scott!
Btw I have send you a mail about some bugs with my CT5. But that can wait till after your vacation.

[turbonigro]

Is out there someone who is, dunno why, selling a CT5?

[multi_s]

I wish you a good vacation Scott!
Btw I have send you a mail about some bugs with my CT5. But that can wait till after your vacation.

Hi, thanks, i am just responding to your email here in case people have the same questions, which some people already have had similar ones:

My CT5 pedal however has a few bugs:
-the detuned octaves in none mode of the video (not sure if this is a bug or if this is how it normally behaves)

It is very slightly detuned in the video, i can fix it for you in firmware when i get back, i will release a firm update that tweaks that.

Also I have the problem that the Q switch is not always working when toggling down (it happens in the video as well). Sometimes I have to toggle down two or three times before it works. I have read the same complaint by other people (with the same k or l board) on another forum as well.

It is most likely working all the time. There are several notes that exist in multiple Q sets. So when you move the switch down, or up for that matter, it's possible you think nothing changed. The best test to see if it is reliable is to try turning DIR 1 after each Q toggle. This is how you can hear what set you are in. If the set is not changing and you can demonstrate that in a video, then yes there may be a problem, but many people have told me this "issue", and so far always turned out to be what i described above. If you can demonstrate concretely a faulty switch we will gladly repair it for you.

For example unity exists in every set, so you might hit q many times with no change in sound if you don't move the Q switch. But if it is jsut slightly away from unity, maybe in some sets its half or 1 step up, but then in the smaller Q sets, with bigger intervals, that position is unity for 3 or 4 sets, sounds like nothing is happening, it is not true, turn DIR 1 to hear. The actual change happens on the release of the Q, when it snaps back to center.

Finally if you hold Q down a long time to make the change, nothing will happen. This is because holding Q now accesses alternate functions for the pots, and if you hold Q down for a second or so it is assumed you didn't actually want to change the Q mode. This happens in every mode, not just modes with alt functions (mode 3 for now).

-When in Mode 2 sometimes the Len S and Random knobs don't work and I can't manipulate the loop anymore. This happens in random and mostly when having dir 1 set to octave up. When I reset my loop it works again as it should. But then after I made some new loops (without completely resetting) it happens again.

These knobs have no effect once a slice has started playing. If the knobs work in the other modes it is highly unlikely there are any problems with the knobs themselves. So for example if you are playing a 2 second long slice, but turn len s at 1 second into the slice, there will be no effect until the slice ends. Same with rand. Rand controls how random the start point is, so if there is no new start point to generate, teh knob has no effect (ie has no effect except at teh instat anew slice is playing. This is totally normal. If this is NOT what you are talking about let me knwo0,b ut maybe make another video demonstrating exactly what you are talking about.

-The black stripes of the white knobs can easily be wiped of with your fingers. After just one week the black stripes of three knobs are already half gone and if I want I can easily rub it off. (see attached picture). This is with the first three knobs, the fourth knobs doesn't have that.

i can send you new knobs when i get back from vacation.

gl

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[multi_s]

Is out there someone who is, dunno why, selling a CT5?

We will have some at the end of June/early July, maybe you can find a used one sooner though, check the bst here?

[sitarman]

Hi Scott, thanks for the reply. I will do some more testing this week and will try to make some videos of the bugs I mentioned. It is hard to make a video because some things happen at random. I am sure about the q toggle not working all the time though because you can easily hear it when you switch to none q mode and set the dir 1 knob in between a fixed pitch. Sometimes I have to flip it twice for it to switch especially when toggling down. Have tried that many times already. Also moved the dir 1 knob after each toggle to check if it is in the next q mode or not. It also happened once while making the video I have send to you. Will try to make a video this week. But first enjoy your vacation! These things can wait.