Count To Five

[resincum]

OOOPS

[multi_s]

it erased & updated just how the instructions said it would. how to 'reflash'?

hi can you just first verify you have rev k or l pcb? Any version will accept any firmware but it will not function correctly. If you end up having an older pcb you can find an appropriate firmware on this page and just re flash it with that firmware, then you should be fine.

http://mtlasm.blogspot.ca/p/count.html

if you do have k or l for sure, then program it as per the instructions, remove all connections and all power and wait about 1 minute. then re apply power it and see if it boots into the normal application.

[resincum]

it is rev l, from your latest batch. I tried that, but I'll try again and get back to you. thanks

[zoooombiex]

Are you disconnecting power and waiting after you re-flash? I noticed mine wouldn't turn on right away after reflashing, but then I unplugged everything and waited a few seconds, plugged power back in, and then it turned on fine. it was the same way for my rev k and rev j

[multi_s]

0.96k firmware quick ref card courtesy of one Nick Gill, we all thank you!

I have looked it over but if anyone else finds errors please let me know, i will update it.

[zoooombiex]

Wow - thanks Nick! Two things noticed so far:

Mode 2 - Rand: Says "CCW = 0" probability of playing from the beginning. Should that be either "CW = 0" or "CCW = 100"?

Mode 3 - Exp: Says: "Assigns expression pedal to DIR 1, DIR 2 or DIR 3." The CT5 main page still says "the expression pedal always replaces the DIR 1 knob." I never use an expression pedal and am work, so I don't know which of those is correct.

Random question on quant mode 5: this is described as augmented 3rd. Does this actually use a calculation of a just +3, or it is using an ET +3 (which would also be a perfect 4th)? Actually, same question could go for all the quant modes, as to whether they are ET or just-based intervals.

[multi_s]

hmm ok for mode 2 the knob controls the range of distribution that the starting point is drawn from. I think he meant probably that CCW is not random at all, always the true start. Fully CW the starting point could be drawn from anywhere in the sample.

and mode 3 it shoudl say something about how many read heads are actually active,i will update it soon, sometime tomorrow.

The intervals are not just, they are based on equal temperment, calculated by scaling the playback speed by 2^(n/12), where n is the number of semitones adjusted. we say augmented because it is actually referring to augmented triad, a triad that is 2 perfect fourths stacked as you say, but there is no triad called perfect fourth triads as far as i know, but i am not at all an expert on music theory.

[zoooombiex]

hmm ok for mode 2 the knob controls the range of distribution that the starting point is drawn from. I think he meant probably that CCW is not random at all, always the true start. Fully CW the starting point could be drawn from anywhere in the sample.

Yeah, maybe i'm misunderstanding the intent. his wording is "Probability that slices will be played from beginning (CCW = 0)" so I took the "0" to mean 0% probability of being played from the beginning, which I thought should be 100%.

and mode 3 it shoudl say something about how many read heads are actually active,i will update it soon, sometime tomorrow.

Oh, he did also say that it controls how many read heads are active - that part seemed right to me. It was only the part about the EXP controlling different read heads that I wasn't sure about. in the past the EXP had always controlled DIR1 regardless of how many read heads are active. but maybe that changed?

The intervals are not just, they are based on equal temperment, calculated by scaling the playback speed by 2^(n/12), where n is the number of semitones adjusted. we say augmented because it is actually referring to augmented triad, a triad that is 2 perfect fourths stacked as you say, but there is no triad called perfect fourth triads as far as i know, but i am not at all an expert on music theory.

There is not a perfect fourth triad, but there is a perfect fourth interval. And since the CT5 adds intervals, not triads, there would be nothing incorrect about calling it a perfect fourth. But yeah, since it's ET it's an enharmonic wash. Never thought to ask about the just/ET nature of the quant before as I almost always use non-quant or 5ths and octaves, which hardly (5th) or don't (octave) differ from just. But that could be interesting to hear it with some more divergent just intervals or stacked just intervals in mode 3...

[Jwar]

I found a really, really cool setting on my CT5 last night. I want two of these suckers! I can imagine how gnarly that would sound. I always want two of everything...

[multi_s]

There is not a perfect fourth triad, but there is a perfect fourth interval. And since the CT5 adds intervals, not triads, there would be nothing incorrect about calling it a perfect fourth. But yeah, since it's ET it's an enharmonic wash. Never thought to ask about the just/ET nature of the quant before as I almost always use non-quant or 5ths and octaves, which hardly (5th) or don't (octave) differ from just. But that could be interesting to hear it with some more divergent just intervals or stacked just intervals in mode 3...

Actually i mispoke earlier, an augmented triad is two major thirds stacked, not perfect fourths. There is no q mode that is perfect fourths, although in chromatic mode you could select this interval if you wanted.

And it does add triads for sure via feedback. If you have feedback and a major third (n = 4 or -4) and play 1 note, all the resulting pitches are in the augmented triad, that is why we call it augmented triad, not major third (or perfect fourth), but it is just semantics. The idea is: "what can we call the set of all resulting pitches generated from a single note in this mode?" Well we could say augmented triad because it is true that any number of repeats at any setting in that q mode results in a pitch that is in the augmented triad.

This is why the q modes are what they are though. Chromatic is sequential n values, whole tone scale is equally spaced n values by 2, diminished triad is n values by 3, augmented by 4, and perfect fifths by 6. Since the mechanism for successive shifts is just pure feedback you cannot achieve say a major triad, which would require a shift of n = 4 then a shift of n = 3, because maybe the speed would have to change based on the number of repeats the sound had experienced, you could do it easily with a lot more memory but the ct5 is skimpy and so we don;t implement such things. and really if you were getting that into it you would probably just make a more true pitch shifter with many standard delay lines to space out the notes or something like that.

[zoooombiex]

There is not a perfect fourth triad, but there is a perfect fourth interval. And since the CT5 adds intervals, not triads, there would be nothing incorrect about calling it a perfect fourth. But yeah, since it's ET it's an enharmonic wash. Never thought to ask about the just/ET nature of the quant before as I almost always use non-quant or 5ths and octaves, which hardly (5th) or don't (octave) differ from just. But that could be interesting to hear it with some more divergent just intervals or stacked just intervals in mode 3...

Actually i mispoke earlier, an augmented triad is two major thirds stacked, not perfect fourths. There is no q mode that is perfect fourths, although in chromatic mode you could select this interval if you wanted.

And it does add triads for sure via feedback. If you have feedback and a major third (n = 4 or -4) and play 1 note, all the resulting pitches are in the augmented triad, that is why we call it augmented triad, not major third (or perfect fourth), but it is just semantics. The idea is: "what can we call the set of all resulting pitches generated from a single note in this mode?" Well we could say augmented triad because it is true that any number of repeats at any setting in that q mode results in a pitch that is in the augmented triad.

This is why the q modes are what they are though. Chromatic is sequential n values, whole tone scale is equally spaced n values by 2, diminished triad is n values by 3, augmented by 4, and perfect fifths by 6. Since the mechanism for successive shifts is just pure feedback you cannot achieve say a major triad, which would require a shift of n = 4 then a shift of n = 3, because maybe the speed would have to change based on the number of repeats the sound had experienced, you could do it easily with a lot more memory but the ct5 is skimpy and so we don;t implement such things. and really if you were getting that into it you would probably just make a more true pitch shifter with many standard delay lines to space out the notes or something like that.

yeah, I assumed you meant stacked thirds. and I think I found the confusion - I was addressing Nick's card, which refers to this q-mode as a "augmented 3rd" - which is incorrect. I see on your site you call it an "augmented triad" - which is different - and with your wording i totally agree with what you are saying and see why you described it that way.

[multi_s]

ah okok on the card it says augmented third, now i see. now i see.

thanks for reviewing it so carefully

[sitarman]

Hi Scott, just reading about this new feature on your website:
"All modes: changing Q mode will cause the LED to blink white for a short period. When the Q mode selected is the non-quantized setting, the LED will blink for a longer period. This way you can know where in the list of Q modes you are more easily. In total there are 6 Q modes so you should have 5 short blinks and one long blink every 6 taps of the Q switch"

That's really great and was something that was on my wish list for the CT5. It is very handy to be able to visualize in which Q mode you are, especially in a live setting. Great addition!

Also thanks for adjusting the octave up tuning in non quantize mode. Thanks for all your time! you are too good...

[resincum]

I was installing the wrong firmware. ugh, the dense is real. sorry for the spam and thanks so much to everyone who tried to help

edit: yooo so this new firmware is fucking AWESOME. really blows my mind what you've done with this pedal. these expansion packs are better than brood war. the step sequencer is right up my alley. didn't have much time to figure out the LFO for mode 1 tho; will get to that tonight. cheers $cott!! thx again

[multi_s]

I was installing the wrong firmware. ugh, the dense is real. sorry for the spam and thanks so much to everyone who tried to help

edit: yooo so this new firmware is fucking AWESOME. really blows my mind what you've done with this pedal. these expansion packs are better than brood war. the step sequencer is right up my alley. didn't have much time to figure out the LFO for mode 1 tho; will get to that tonight. cheers $cott!! thx again

ok great news.

also the ref card has been updated a bit based on zoooombiex's feedback, same link

Hi Scott, just reading about this new feature on your website:
"All modes...
Thanks for all your time! ...

no problem, enjoy.