The 7027 is a 6L6 capable of handling higher voltage and has better temperature stability because of the larger envelope.
V4s have dramatically different preamps compared to more typical "6L6 vs. EL34" comparison amps so they don't retain the typical character people think of for 6L6s.
I use the tubes Alex designed the amps around. I might have an Amperex in V1 of my Mother but I don't remember. They sound great without having to bother with single-stage tube swaps and critical listening. That's why I like my Science amps. No bullshit minutia as part of a quest to make something better. Its just perfect from the start.
waltdogg wrote: jj and shuguang are good examples of this, alex prefers jj preamp tubes for their longevity/low noise and shuguang power tubes for their consistency.
Any experience / thoughts on the Tung-Sol gold pin reissue 12ax7's? That's what I've got a line on right now for a reasonable price.
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I think gold pin is BS and just a good marketing scam. I usually go to Ruby Tubes for all my 12ax7 tubes that are not V1. At least you know they're all tested and running good and then I'll scoop a vintage tube off eBay for V1. I run a Matchless so putting Vintage power tubes in it is a waste since they eat tubes up. I'll pop in a set of Mullards to record but for standard use I just play Tung-Sol modern production tubes. They're slightly darker but they hold up well
wouldn't waste my money on a gold pin current production tube. check out tubedepot.com. don't fuck with ruby, they just buy tubes, rebrand and test them, all tube resellers do fairly thorough testing and don't relabel their tubes, so you know what you're actually getting. with rube you could be getting jj, shuguang, or even sovtek (only three tube factories in the world iirc).
whoismarykelly pretty much summed it up, v-4's though powered by a tube similar to the 6l6 have such a dramatically different tone between the higher voltage and the preamp compared to other 6l6 powered amps.
oh btw those made in holland tubes are also labeled amperex and a few other brands that i don't recall. i kinda got over the whole tube swapping thing after i got that hammond labeled 12ax7 that was made in holland.
as for using the stock tubes, depends on the amp. i found the sciences very receptive to tube changes, the jj and shuguang preamp tubes alex gets are reliable and sound decent. i just can't stand how shuguang tubes don't sound quite how they're supposed to sound. getting a vintage 12ax7 v1, higher quality phase inverter, higher power/gain power tubes just give you more of a vintage flavor. the amps themselves are essentially perfect.
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behndy wrote:
lol. she thinks Brazil is wayyyy too unsafe. but i got PLANS.
MechaGodzilla wrote:man, fuck those big neutrik plugs
Sorry I should've specified. I am not after the gold pin because Monster cable magic. I had been told that the run of "gold pin reissues" for Tungsols was much higher quality tubes than the regular Tingsols.
Edit: checking out tubedepot. Only care about playing with V1's right now and I have another smaller amp that needs some mojo, too.
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honestly it's a gimmick. just get the regular tung-sol from tube depot and add on low noise and microphonics for $4 more. it'd be cheaper than buying the gold pin anyways. it's $24 for the gold pin (without adding the low noise option) vs. $18 for the standard 12ax7 (with with the low noise option). to me that's a no brainer. structurally the tubes are the same, the only difference is the pins.
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behndy wrote:
lol. she thinks Brazil is wayyyy too unsafe. but i got PLANS.
MechaGodzilla wrote:man, fuck those big neutrik plugs
I think I'm just gonna buy some amperex/holland right off the bat. Switch my V1, hell maybe I will swap the whole set of pre amp tubes like a cork sniffing chump!
v1 affects tone the most. that's the key tube to invest in. followed by a good phase inverter tube which are cheap, the sovtek 12ax7lps is solid as are military grade 12at7s. since you're getting a mother, you'll want a jan (joint-army/navy) mil spec 12at7 for your phase inverter. i suggest the sovtek and jan tubes because they last damn near forever. find a good made in holland 12ax7 and it should give you plenty of life. old tubes were built better and hugher quality control.
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behndy wrote:
lol. she thinks Brazil is wayyyy too unsafe. but i got PLANS.
MechaGodzilla wrote:man, fuck those big neutrik plugs
waltdogg wrote:v1 affects tone the most. that's the key tube to invest in. followed by a good phase inverter tube which are cheap, the sovtek 12ax7lps is solid as are military grade 12at7s. since you're getting a mother, you'll want a jan (joint-army/navy) mil spec 12at7 for your phase inverter. i suggest the sovtek and jan tubes because they last damn near forever. find a good made in holland 12ax7 and it should give you plenty of life. old tubes were built better and hugher quality control.
I figure getting a NOS pre-amp tube will give me plenty of years anyhow as I played my sovtek with the same pre-amp tubes it came with in the 90's and it didn't falter ever so I figure it will be ever more so for the mother. I Will definitely take your advice and order them once the amp is coming closer to arriving. I don't mind dropping decent buck on pre amp tubes, I do on power tubes as I'm always afraid of spending too much money on something that I'll probably change ever two years or something.
when i had a mother, i just dropped in a bunch of current production tung-sol 12ax7s, with the v1 rated for higher gain and lower noise (i paid the extra fees through tubedepot.com) and put the military grade 12at7 in the phase inverter position, that did it for me. 6550s are expensive as hell so i didn't bother to swap em.
at one point i tried two tung-sol 12ax7s and a sovtek 12ax7lps in my hellhawk. this was after i got the hammond labeled amperex 12ax7 so i was just experimenting (and didn't wanna waste the one good vintage 12ax7 i had left at the time) and the difference was clear as night and day between the tung sol in v1 and the vintage 12ax7. havent gigged my hellhawk ever, but i've been playing on it regularly since i got it and regularly since i swapped the tubes and that hammond labeled 12ax7 is still kicking strong.
oh and my v-4 is loaded with current production tung-sol 12ax7 in all the 12ax7 slots, everything else is mil spec from the 12dw7, the phase inverter, to the power tubes. except for the rare reverb driver and mid range driving tubes. those are rca and ge.
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behndy wrote:
lol. she thinks Brazil is wayyyy too unsafe. but i got PLANS.
MechaGodzilla wrote:man, fuck those big neutrik plugs
Hey all, just wanted to let people know I posted 40 minutes worth of comparative sound samples on the website. I've been meaning to do something as objective as possible like this for a while now. It's still a work in progress, and I intend doing some play-through videos as well when I get the time.
Those clips sound awesome! I've recently taken to using the od channel of my v1 mother as a big clean thing to slam with pedals. That way I can still put reverbs and delays in front of it as well. Sounds way great.
How does the new depth knob equate to the older one?
