After this's all over, I hope the U.S. gov't bills Trump for the damage he's done to our reputation

[Gone Fission]

Trump blew up standing DACA policy, saying he wanted congress to make a law because executive orders are apparently illegal when black presidents enact them. Dems and Republican immigration moderates took him at his word and tried to work something out. Trump yanked the rug at the last minute and threw in with hardliners, meaning there was no pressure for Ryan or McConnel to bend past their hardliners' comfort zone. So Senators disappointed by bad faith withheld support.

It's a simplification, but Trump's fuckwittery makes me feel quite justified in assigning him a good chunk of the blame for the shitdown.

[Lurker13]

Trump blew up standing DACA policy, saying he wanted congress to make a law because executive orders are apparently illegal when black presidents enact them. Dems and Republican immigration moderates took him at his word and tried to work something out. Trump yanked the rug at the last minute and threw in with hardliners, meaning there was no pressure for Ryan or McConnel to bend past their hardliners' comfort zone. So Senators disappointed by bad faith withheld support.

It's a simplification, but Trump's fuckwittery makes me feel quite justified in assigning him a good chunk of the blame for the shitdown.

It's hilarious, the Republicans control the presidency and both chambers of Congress, and they can't even keep the government open. Now they're running around claiming it's all the fault of the evil, evil Democrats. Trump wants to be the leader, but he doesn't want to actually do the hard work of leading. But IMO, the so-called Freedom Caucus (which should really be called the Right-Wing Fanatics Caucus) is the real culprit, Trump's bumbling incompetence is just fuel on the fire.

[Chankgeez]

Trump wants to be the leader, but he doesn't want to actually do the hard work of leading.

Even if he did want to, he just doesn't know how.

Say what you will about career politicians, at least they know the mechanics of politics.

Given the way Trump ran his campaign & the way he's acted since (like he's still running a campaign), it's no surprise he can't govern effectively.

[Lurker13]

Trump wants to be the leader, but he doesn't want to actually do the hard work of leading.

Even if he did want to, he just doesn't know how.

But he thinks he knows, so he is too arrogant to take advice from anyone who could help him. And that's a big problem.

[comesect2.0]

WHAT'S HAPPENING!!!

[Chankgeez]

Yeah, that show!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1FRqzzBst8[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1FRqzzBst8

[Lurker13]

WHAT'S HAPPENING!!!

[Chankgeez]

Know who's responsible for the shutdown?

Both sides.

That's who.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tanyachen/the- ... .fqN2bA93X

[Achtane]

This is a four-year facepalm.

[Chankgeez]

Could someone explain to me why “The Dems just want illegal immigrants to pour into our nation unchecked.”?

[Mudfuzz]

Could someone explain to me why “The Dems just want illegal immigrants to pour into our nation unchecked.”?

It makes them feel like they are helping people AND providing a slave/untouchableclass/cheap labor pool that undermines the entire blue collar workforce to keep costs and wages down in comparison to cost of living and yet gives them more things to "fight against" and seem like they give a shit?

[Chankgeez]

[Mudfuzz]

yeah remember when when you were young and thought this shit would make sene one day? then you grew up only to find out it's just that everyone is crazy...

[Chankgeez]

All I wanted was a Pepsi.

[comesect2.0]

Can't we like just love one another and create a government called I...