After this's all over, I hope the U.S. gov't bills Trump for the damage he's done to our reputation

[Chankgeez]

[Dandolin]

[Sonaboy]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/white-house-to-unveil-federal-cannabis-reform-very-soon-says-gop-lawmaker
Man, Trump's pulling all the stops to make sure the election falls in the GOP's favor.

You sure that's not just TumTum telling Sessions to go fuck himself?

[Gone Fission]

Seeking public comment on current regulations allows an agency to rewrite current regulations (though the agency is not bound by public comments—it’s complicated). But marijuana cannot be reclassified because its classification is forced by statute. So unless Cheeto Benito has a plan to get Congress to amend the statute, this is a waste of time.

[gnomethrone]

National Review: Sorry, Democrats, Progressive Mob Action Is a Real Problem
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/ ... l-problem/

Progressive Mob Action is my new favorite term

Don't care what they may say
We got that attitude!
Don't care what you may do
We got that attitude!

Hey, we got that P.M.A.!
Hey, we got the P.M.A.!

[friendship]

National Review: Sorry, Democrats, Progressive Mob Action Is a Real Problem
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/ ... l-problem/

Progressive Mob Action is my new favorite term

Don't care what they may say
We got that attitude!
Don't care what you may do
We got that attitude!

Hey, we got that P.M.A.!
Hey, we got the P.M.A.!

Legally protected protest is safe. It’s consistent with the best traditions of American dissent. It’s truly what “democracy looks like.” Mob action, by contrast, is dangerous. It creates imminent risk of personal harm. It’s designed to frighten and intimidate.

That is exactly the point. "Legally-protected" protest means oppressive power can determine the rules of dissent up to and including prohibiting dissent entirely. When authoritarian government has nothing to fear, change is impossible. They have a vested interest in the "safe" forms of dissent because it protects them from that dissent having any impact on social and political life.

[D.o.S.]

Seeking public comment on current regulations allows an agency to rewrite current regulations (though the agency is not bound by public comments—it’s complicated). But marijuana cannot be reclassified because its classification is forced by statute. So unless Cheeto Benito has a plan to get Congress to amend the statute, this is a waste of time.

Surely Mango Unchained wouldn't be saying something and then not following through on it.

[Bassist_Diver]

He's right for the wrong reason. Mob action on either side is a problem (see: Tea Party, AntiFa) and left unchecked it can go very south very fast (see: Occupy Wall Street, Unite the Right [Note that I in no way condone those racist shitbags, but it was a mob protest that went unchecked and, well, you know what happened]). But the real problem with mob action is that, more often than not, it's a response to legal/peaceful protests, civil discourse, attempts to reach your representatives, etc. being ignored and our elected officials ignoring the needs and wishes of the populace and instead acting in their own and/or corporate interests, especially when those run counter to the public good. If our elected officials actually did their fucking jobs we wouldn't need mob protests! By trying to control mob action is treating a symptom, not the cause.

November cannot get here soon enough. Either way I'm getting shitfaced the night of Nov. 6.

[Chankgeez]

Seeking public comment on current regulations allows an agency to rewrite current regulations (though the agency is not bound by public comments—it’s complicated). But marijuana cannot be reclassified because its classification is forced by statute. So unless Cheeto Benito has a plan to get Congress to amend the statute, this is a waste of time.

Surely Mango Unchained wouldn't be saying something and then not following through on it.

Hopin' Cheeba Chew Morcheeba makes an appearance somewhere soon.

[Sonaboy]

He's right for the wrong reason. Mob action on either side is a problem (see: Tea Party, AntiFa) and left unchecked it can go very south very fast (see: Occupy Wall Street, Unite the Right [Note that I in no way condone those racist shitbags, but it was a mob protest that went unchecked and, well, you know what happened]).

So, uhhh, let's get into this: I'd like you to clarify the similarities you just made with the OWS situation and the UTR shitshow.
The way I see it, the two couldn't have been more different both in intent and execution.

do go on.

[Bassist_Diver]

He's right for the wrong reason. Mob action on either side is a problem (see: Tea Party, AntiFa) and left unchecked it can go very south very fast (see: Occupy Wall Street, Unite the Right [Note that I in no way condone those racist shitbags, but it was a mob protest that went unchecked and, well, you know what happened]).

So, uhhh, let's get into this: I'd like you to clarify the similarities you just made with the OWS situation and the UTR shitshow.
The way I see it, the two couldn't have been more different both in intent and execution.

do go on.

Did you forget about all the robberies and rapes that went on during OWS? Or the open defecation and piles of garbage? The fact it was an unorganized quagmire with no game plan that went unchecked for weeks was very problematic.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/sexual-assaul ... d=14873014
https://www.businessinsider.com/truth-a ... et-2011-11
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/08/nyre ... hbors.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/03/politics ... index.html

[Sonaboy]

He's right for the wrong reason. Mob action on either side is a problem (see: Tea Party, AntiFa) and left unchecked it can go very south very fast (see: Occupy Wall Street, Unite the Right [Note that I in no way condone those racist shitbags, but it was a mob protest that went unchecked and, well, you know what happened]).

So, uhhh, let's get into this: I'd like you to clarify the similarities you just made with the OWS situation and the UTR shitshow.
The way I see it, the two couldn't have been more different both in intent and execution.

do go on.

Did you forget about all the robberies and rapes that went on during OWS? Or the open defecation and piles of garbage? The fact it was an unorganized quagmire with no game plan that went unchecked for weeks was very problematic.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/sexual-assaul ... d=14873014
https://www.businessinsider.com/truth-a ... et-2011-11
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/08/nyre ... hbors.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/03/politics ... index.html

So first off, the OWS protests went on for a LOOOOONG time and things like needing to take a shit when you're being constricted by law enforcement and general messiness is a given. I don't know why you would even equate those logistical problems to the straight up boiler plate craziness and eventual physical melees and gunfire and assault-by-car that happened in Charlotte.

The robberies and rapes were unfortunate, but this was thousands of people in spots for days and days in the middle of a city. Things that happened were no more terrible than things at any random large scale music fest that would be held any number of times during a year. The fact that a bunch of angry people who were attempting to disrupt a city didn't explode into bloody carnage is somewhat of a minor miracle and shows that organizers at least had that much control and composure when faced with opposition. Comparing them and their message to all the white power lunatics who convened with the specific purpose of physically confronting people and hoping to incite chaos in Charlottesville is pretty disingenuous.

Second of all, OWS was organized enough, they had a manifesto that the initial organizers agreed on and presented to a basically unwilling government (no surprise there) even though Obama at least communicated with them with sympathies and gave them a chance to speak to his admin directly, but as far as coordinating all action items through the media, no they weren't entirely successful. That doesn't mean it was a failure. They were able to catalyze some anti-predatory debt services and coordinate action groups to keep people in their homes who were victims of the sub-prime mortgage crisis, they petitioned for the repeal of Citizens United, and they basically generated another counter-political network that's still building spaces, messaging for elections, and other things in cities all over North America. This focus lately on "mob mentality" or whatever is just another way to quickly dispense of inconvenience to people who don't actually have to confront some terrible realities about predatory finance, or unfair political posturing. I don't know about you, but I know plenty of people who are directly affected by things like this and need as much help and consistent petitioning by groups like OWS to keep the wolves from the door.

[Bassist_Diver]

I never said the two were equal, though - I'm pointing out that neither side is immune to mob assemblies that get out of hand very quickly, giving two examples for each side (OWS/AntiFa and the TPM/UTR, respectively). The commonality between all four movements is that they were the boiling point for each of those groups feeling their voices were not being heard, so they took direct and extreme action as a result. UTR was rightfully ignored, but that doesn't change the fact that the steps leading up to the assemblies were the same (We believe X -> We repeatedly tell officials about X -> officials ignore us and/or X -> repeat multiple times -> "We're going to march over X!" -> March for X becomes a mob)

[Faldoe]

National Review: Sorry, Democrats, Progressive Mob Action Is a Real Problem
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/ ... l-problem/

Progressive Mob Action is my new favorite term

Don't care what they may say
We got that attitude!
Don't care what you may do
We got that attitude!

Hey, we got that P.M.A.!
Hey, we got the P.M.A.!

Are you posting the link to highlight that the term is funny but think the article has any merit, or do you think the article has no merit and think that term encapsulates why?

Cause there is a severe problem on the left and people like Lemon, CNN, MSNBC and other media outlets are contributing to it.

I don't want to give too much credence to what Russia was up to before the election but I think a strong cause can be made that they (the Russians) have heavy influenced the divisions among us in this country. Though interesting enough, the populations of the far left and far right don't seem to be as big as each side claims - especially how media portrays it. The media loves a story and ratings and will do all kinds of things to pull people in. Most Americans are tired of all the shit going on:


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ss/572581/

According to the report, 25 percent of Americans are traditional or devoted conservatives, and their views are far outside the American mainstream. Some 8 percent of Americans are progressive activists, and their views are even less typical. By contrast, the two-thirds of Americans who don’t belong to either extreme constitute an “exhausted majority.” Their members “share a sense of fatigue with our polarized national conversation, a willingness to be flexible in their political viewpoints, and a lack of voice in the national conversation.”

Most members of the “exhausted majority,” and then some, dislike political correctness. Among the general population, a full 80 percent believe that “political correctness is a problem in our country.” Even young people are uncomfortable with it, including 74 percent ages 24 to 29, and 79 percent under age 24. On this particular issue, the woke are in a clear minority across all ages.

Youth isn’t a good proxy for support of political correctness—and it turns out race isn’t, either.

Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness. As one 40-year-old American Indian in Oklahoma said in his focus group, according to the report:

It seems like everyday you wake up something has changed … Do you say Jew? Or Jewish? Is it a black guy? African-American? … You are on your toes because you never know what to say. So political correctness in that sense is scary.

[gnomethrone]

I just really liked that the term shares an acronym with a Bad Brains song. Its like if they called black lives matter marches "Anti Cop Action Brigades" or something. Just a funny thing.