After this's all over, I hope the U.S. gov't bills Trump for the damage he's done to our reputation

[dubkitty]

...born a poor young orange boy/Mother Gritty's son...(doont doont doont doo)

[JereFuzz]

Wait, does that mean Trump is the son of Gritty?!

I don't remember this Beksinski painting ...

[Jwar]

So Philly voted for a muppet. Can't say I'm surprised. I mean, it is Philly.

[Chankgeez]

Don't plan on riding into town on a horse next time the Chiefs play the Eagles. An Eagles fan may punch your horse in the head.

[Jwar]

Don't plan on riding into town on a horse next time the Chiefs play the Eagles. An Eagles fan may punch your horse in the head.

Pfffttt I'm not afraid some sissy Eagles fan. Bring it!

[Chankgeez]

[Bassist_Diver]

Pennsylvania: even our Amish will fight you

[Benn Roe]

So Philly voted for a muppet. Can't say I'm surprised. I mean, it is Philly.

The fuck'd you say about Gritty?

[Mudfuzz]

This some type of sports ball thing or something?

[Chankgeez]

hockey

[Mudfuzz]

Ok fine a flattened sports ball thing then.

[Benn Roe]

What does Gritty have to do with hockey? He's the people's mascot.

[Benn Roe]

Which brings me to the last part, which I partly disagree with. I absolutely do not think the PM was a funny product, but nor do I think the objections to it were very reasonable and handled really rationally. Not that the replies were much better. But on the whole that was a silly argument all around I think, which did absolutely nothing to advance anyone's cause except the band, who cashed in. Ted Leo said that TC should "hire women!", as if forcing a company to do that would solve anything. I'm sure no guitar pedal company would reject the idea of anybody working there who applied and had the qualifications. It's these kinds of arguments that I find counterproductive, when based on a joke, people will jump on demonizing a whole industry.

I hesitate to get back into this, but what exactly did you find unreasonable or irrational about a handful of women in bands starting an online petition to let a company know that a product they were peddling was perpetuating an unwelcoming environment for women in rock?

[gnomethrone]

NO GODS
NO MASTERS
NO PENALTY BOXES

[frodog]

I hesitate to get back into this, but what exactly did you find unreasonable or irrational about a handful of women in bands starting an online petition to let a company know that a product they were peddling was perpetuating an unwelcoming environment for women in rock?

Just that it's such a reach to assume that a toneprint would do just that, keep women away from playing rock. I would think there are much bigger issues that make the music scene unwelcoming to anyone wanting to be in a "rock band". Essentially wasting energy on petitioning against a joke you do not find funny, loosely wrapping it in socio-political terms to attribute a more sinister meaning to it... seems disingenuous and unreasonable, yes.