After this's all over, I hope the U.S. gov't bills Trump for the damage he's done to our reputation

[Chankgeez]

Now that Muller didn't find evidence of collusion (DUH...Jesus what a waste of fucking resources). What do you think those fucking dumb shit will focus on now? I bet is to prove Trump right by continuing their witch hunt (which it is at this point, let's be honest with ourselves here) and secure his re-election by making the entire DNC look like a bunch of children.


The Trump investigation was the biggest fucking waste of time and effort I've seen this country put out in a long time. Did they really think he'd go to jail? Now all the conspiracy theories will start. You know because those are only true when it comes to the RNC.

Even if any of it was true, I knew he'd never go to jail or be impeached by this process. Just dumb and a show for people to watch.

So, you really think it was a witch hunt?

[Jwar]

Yes I absolutely do and always did. Huge waste of tax payer money and time for nothing.

[Jwar]

How about they work on something like Health Care Reform instead of wasting on this energy on this shit? Or, I dunno, get ready for the next election and have someone who can actually take Trump out.

It's like they play right into his hands.

[Chankgeez]

Well, the fallout's not quite over yet.

(Also, it's not just about Democrats. )

[Jwar]

It's not? It's mostly about Democrats though isn't it? Most of the RNC has sided with him and there are some that are still against him.

It's all political shit that will likely back fire.

I have a hard time believing they actually give a shit.

[Bassist_Diver]

Now that Muller didn't find evidence of collusion (DUH...Jesus what a waste of fucking resources). What do you think those fucking dumb shit will focus on now? I bet is to prove Trump right by continuing their witch hunt (which it is at this point, let's be honest with ourselves here) and secure his re-election by making the entire DNC look like a bunch of children.


The Trump investigation was the biggest fucking waste of time and effort I've seen this country put out in a long time. Did they really think he'd go to jail? Now all the conspiracy theories will start. You know because those are only true when it comes to the RNC.

Even if any of it was true, I knew he'd never go to jail or be impeached by this process. Just dumb and a show for people to watch.

That's why I mentioned the Dems need to learn from the post-Starr report blowback. The GOP still hounded Willie even after he was cleared by Ken Starr and they got clobbered when the next election rolled around (IIRC it was only the second time in US history that the "six-year fatigue" didn't lead to a Congress controlled by the President's opposition party).

The Mueller team's largest double edged sword was its silence - it made for a very well done investigation, but that silence also meant a lack of PR, which ultimately led most Americans into believing the investigation was more than it actually was. The report was never intended to specifically target Trump, its sole mission from day one was to determine the level of Russian influence/intervention in 2016. Trump was a PART of it, not the CENTER of it, and somehow that message was lost on our populace (and a huge chunk of the MSM; despite all the claims of "fake news," Trump's favorite - Fox News - was the biggest spreader of the lie that the Mueller report was all about sticking it to Trump).

How about they work on something like Health Care Reform instead of wasting on this energy on this shit? Or, I dunno, get ready for the next election and have someone who can actually take Trump out.

It's like they play right into his hands.

With a few exceptions, most of the candidates have done a good job of NOT talk about the Mueller investigation. When they were pressed, they always gave some variant of "I trust the DOJ and am awaiting the report," followed by a pivot into the importance to discuss "kitchen table" issues that directly affect most Americans, such as healthcare, the economy, the environment, job market, trade, etc.

[Bassist_Diver]

It's not? It's mostly about Democrats though isn't it? Most of the RNC has sided with him and there are some that are still against him.

It's all political shit that will likely back fire.

I have a hard time believing they actually give a shit.

They give a shit in that they are not tied to the same party as a confirmed Russian asset.

[Jwar]

Right. I know it's not all about Trump but you are correct for sure about the publics perception of that. All I've seen is shit about how this will get him impeached or put in jail. Right...


What I meant about the candidates is I don't like any of them and think almost all of them are weak. The RNC's candidates are the worst and the DNC candidates are either too old or have too much bs rumors around that will make the country question them. It's going to be another shit show and Trump will probably win again. Now, if Michelle Obama had ran, I think she'd stomp the shit out of him. She's not ready apparently though.

The kitchen table issues are always the talking points and the fucking stuff none of them are able to accomplish because Congress stops them. This country has a lot of work to do.



I think they will continue pushing and it will make them seem insane and secure his 2nd term. That's just what I'm predicting. We shall see.

[Jwar]

It's not? It's mostly about Democrats though isn't it? Most of the RNC has sided with him and there are some that are still against him.

It's all political shit that will likely back fire.

I have a hard time believing they actually give a shit.

They give a shit in that they are not tied to the same party as a confirmed Russian asset.

Who the DNC or RNC? I'm sure both sides have been tied to Russia at some point.


What I mean, is they don't give a shit about what's happening unless it helps push their own agendas.

[lordgalvar]

RNC has to side with him because they see their jobs on the line. They are just looking out for themselves or taking an opportunity (McCarthy and Nunes to look at some California reps...McCarthy is a known flip-flopper...he just wants press. He's Bill Thomas-lite).

It wasn't a witch hunt. It's just an investigation that got got spectulated on to no end because a bunch of people that need attention and ad revenue needed constant content. If we still got the news once a day, it might not have seemed like such a drag.

They found some bad people doing some bad stuff. The money spent isn't all that much compared to the other dumb stuff we spend on in the name of defense and bureaucracy (ships we will never use, failed military programs, subsidies to places like Saudi Arabia, the prison complex, etc). It brought to light a lot of questionable patterns and behaviors that Americans will have on their minds the next time they review canidates (at least for the next election).

I think what it did was test the checks and balances of the three branch system and illustrate what shape it's in at the moment. We may not know the ramifications for a while, but the branches' autonomy was pulled into question and loose rules about procedures were defined and clarified.

I don't think anything would have happened to Trump. It would have been too disruptive and shown too much weakness internationally. I also think that anything that really would have been done with collusion or obstruction are really outside of Trump's, the individual's, intelligence. The people around him saw an opportunity to exploit and went for it. Russia saw an opportunity on both sides and went for it.

To pin something directly on him would have been extremely difficult with just a few people's words as they made deals. I've always thought the one of the many real flaws in Trump, beyond being a hateful, rambling, attention-seeking jerk toward the public, is his malleability and willingness to surround himself with people that will do anything for a "win"*. I doubt he directly said something like, "go talk to my friend Putin so I can beat Hillary". I just can't believe he is that cunning to really pull off such a massive conspiracy over a theory like just a bunch of self-serving people got together with their own interests and blundered into something...some got caught, some didn't.

No one will know the true outcome of this for several years. I think Democrats are doing ok. They have some different sentiments coming out at different times probably blown up by the media that makes them seem more washy on stuff than they really are. I always just think they are going to g to do what it takes to get reelected which usually means "do nothing or at least get some money to fix that one freeway". Don't know. Constant coverage has really changed the way news and issues are viewed by the public.

* I'm talking politically. Finacially, he is a crook like most rich white guys in this country...but we've kind of enabled that behavior as a country. They aren't cheating on taxes, labor, whatever, they are winning and practicing good business by finding ways around the law. See: New England Patriots, very few prosecutions from 2007 bank failures, Wells Fargo, etc

[lordgalvar]

I think there will be some charges brought against Trump post-presidency...but I doubt jail-time will be a component. Just slaps on the wrists for business stuff and some investigations possibility resulting in fines.

I also think that the Trump campaign/people and himself did what they did best during the investigation. Create doubt and confusion by putting out/creating so many different theories, types of rhetoric, contrasting opinions, administrative changes, lawyer statements. It got to information overload. The media component didn't help by constantly asking differing opinions. I still don't know why he gets to use Twitter when it was an issue of national security that Obama had a blackberry (that blackberry was much more secure than a Twitter account). Honestly, just for security and business fairness, no elected official should have social media accounts; the accounts should be a component of the office itself and only used for offical business (like holidays or important news like tax day!).

[Chankgeez]

I think there'll be some Melania filing for divorce post-presidency.

(Good take on the subject, lordgalvar. )

[Bassist_Diver]

I think there will be some charges brought against Trump post-presidency...but I doubt jail-time will be a component. Just slaps on the wrists for business stuff and some investigations possibility resulting in fines.

I also think that the Trump campaign/people and himself did what they did best during the investigation. Create doubt and confusion by putting out/creating so many different theories, types of rhetoric, contrasting opinions, administrative changes, lawyer statements. It got to information overload. The media component didn't help by constantly asking differing opinions. I still don't know why he gets to use Twitter when it was an issue of national security that Obama had a blackberry (that blackberry was much more secure than a Twitter account). Honestly, just for security and business fairness, no elected official should have social media accounts; the accounts should be a component of the office itself and only used for offical business (like holidays or important news like tax day!).

Those Southern charges are going to bit him once he's out of the WH, but you're absolutely right about not seeing jail time. He'll get fines he can easily afford to pay and likely be put under house arrest; it just so happens his house is a fucking tower and he'll be able to move freely between all 58 floors.

As for Twitter, I've of the opinion that all social media was a mistake and has done considerable, irreversible harm. Thanks, Tom and Zuck.

[Bassist_Diver]

Also, WHY THE FUCK IS NOBODY RAISING HOLY HELL OVER THE FACT THAT THE MUELLER SUMMARY FLAT OUT CONFIRMS RUSSIA INTERFERED IN OUR ELECTION?! Stop moping about there not being any evidence to impeach Trump, put on your big boy and girl pants, and do your jobs to prevent Russia from pulling this shit again! Because I can promise you they are still actively hacking our systems and working on how to fuck with us next year.

/former federal employee who was hacked by Russia twice (and China and DPRK once a piece) in my first year working for the agency.

[Jwar]

RNC has to side with him because they see their jobs on the line. They are just looking out for themselves or taking an opportunity (McCarthy and Nunes to look at some California reps...McCarthy is a known flip-flopper...he just wants press. He's Bill Thomas-lite).

While I agree, I also think it's pathetic that they value their jobs over what's right for our country. This is a prime example of why I believe the entire system needs to be dismantled and rebuilt with no two party system. Fuck the RNC and the DNC. They are both lying cunts who don't give a shit about us.

It wasn't a witch hunt. It's just an investigation that got got speculated on to no end because a bunch of people that need attention and ad revenue needed constant content. If we still got the news once a day, it might not have seemed like such a drag.

The witch hunt comes mostly from the media and social media. I don't think there was ever truly one coming from internal investigations but the people of this country certain have been on one and I get it. However, I think it's been a ton of wasted time and energy.

They found some bad people doing some bad stuff. The money spent isn't all that much compared to the other dumb stuff we spend on in the name of defense and bureaucracy (ships we will never use, failed military programs, subsidies to places like Saudi Arabia, the prison complex, etc). It brought to light a lot of questionable patterns and behaviors that Americans will have on their minds the next time they review candidates (at least for the next election).

I'll also concede that you are correct here as well but there are other things that need investigating like The Vatican. How about the FBI focus on that with their hundreds of years of rape and debauchery? I'm not saying this didn't need attention, I just think it received way too much and was an enormous waste of the FBI's time and energy.

I think what it did was test the checks and balances of the three branch system and illustrate what shape it's in at the moment. We may not know the ramifications for a while, but the branches' autonomy was pulled into question and loose rules about procedures were defined and clarified.

I don't think anything would have happened to Trump. It would have been too disruptive and shown too much weakness internationally. I also think that anything that really would have been done with collusion or obstruction are really outside of Trump's, the individual's, intelligence. The people around him saw an opportunity to exploit and went for it. Russia saw an opportunity on both sides and went for it.

To pin something directly on him would have been extremely difficult with just a few people's words as they made deals. I've always thought the one of the many real flaws in Trump, beyond being a hateful, rambling, attention-seeking jerk toward the public, is his malleability and willingness to surround himself with people that will do anything for a "win"*. I doubt he directly said something like, "go talk to my friend Putin so I can beat Hillary". I just can't believe he is that cunning to really pull off such a massive conspiracy over a theory like just a bunch of self-serving people got together with their own interests and blundered into something...some got caught, some didn't.

No one will know the true outcome of this for several years. I think Democrats are doing ok. They have some different sentiments coming out at different times probably blown up by the media that makes them seem more washy on stuff than they really are. I always just think they are going to g to do what it takes to get reelected which usually means "do nothing or at least get some money to fix that one freeway". Don't know. Constant coverage has really changed the way news and issues are viewed by the public.

* I'm talking politically. Financially, he is a crook like most rich white guys in this country...but we've kind of enabled that behavior as a country. They aren't cheating on taxes, labor, whatever, they are winning and practicing good business by finding ways around the law. See: New England Patriots, very few prosecutions from 2007 bank failures, Wells Fargo, etc

Last bit here. I don't think anything will ever happen to Trump even after his term, which I truly believe he will win again.

Hilary uses dirty tactics too and I think she's a disgusting human being. Look at what the DNC did to Bernie. Just kicked him to the curb since she has all the super delegates in her pocket/on her payroll. We all know it's true. She's just as evil as Trump and if they had been able to get past their own egos, they probably would have been a powerhouse team together. I'm purely speculating obviously. I don't want to make this about the Clintons either, just stating I hate them all. haha.


Here's the thing about the financial part. I don't see bending legal loop holes as being a crook exactly but a lot of the loop holes are morally wrong IMO. To me, it's the IRS fault for all of that. I think the IRS should also be bye bye though. I'm sick of paying taxes and want to go the Robinhood method.




I'm not trying to stir people up here btw. Just conversing.





I'm not in an outrage over Russia hacking our stuff because I don't know what I can even do about it. They've been spying on us for half a century, I mean, what are we going to do to stop them? I agree it's fucked up though. I just don't see a solution. It's like fucking people who steal credit card info. You can't stop the bastards and there isn't any technology anyone is using to prevent that either. So, how do we make our stuff more secure? That's a question that I just have no clue how to answer.