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[le lambin]

Looping with this little set up-

Tuner -> compressor -> kinematic -> ~900 -> rat clone -> ultrasheer -> ab/y box -> two EDPs -> line mixer -> amp.

I’ve been messing around using two EDPs and I like having them in parallel best, switching between them with the ab/y box. That way I can have two unsynchronized loops, fade one out while starting a new loop on the other, etc. I’m using a behringer fcb1010 to control one of them, but don’t have another midi controller to control the other one, so I’m using the included footswitch and a Moog expression pedal to control feedback. For anyone wondering, it’s not ideal. The overdub switch is wonky and needs replacement, and this may be the only instance I’ve encountered where the Moog exp pedal doesn’t work well- it only works when set to reverse sweep. The EDP is a picky piece of gear…

I thought I could use the fcb1010 to control both independently, having one bank set to midi channel 1, and an identical second bank controlling midi channel 2, and switch between them, but it was not meant to be- the fcb1010 has a global midi channel per function, and since I’m sending mainly note on/off messages, they all have to be set to the same midi channel. DUMB.

I am sort of hemming and hawing between getting another fcb1010 for the second EDP and just taking up a stupid amount of floor space, or trying the Nektar midi controller, which allows you to set the midi channel per command. I’ve never programmed one of those before, however, and there are many unknowns with how it will play with the EDP. So I’ll just sit here and put off making a decision for a few weeks.

I would also love to be able to midi switch the ab/y box, so when I go from bank 1 to bank 2, one footswitch will change banks and switch the audio path between the two EDPs, but the midi controllable ab/y market is slim and expensive pickins, and I would probably be looking at some midi controlled loop switcher at that point….blah blah blah. I’ll just stick with stomping on two different switches for now.

[Dowi]

I’ve had both at different times- the Particle v2 does a lot of cool things. Things I liked: footswitchable freeze, fully wet effects always sounded great, easy preset system. Things I didn’t like: the mix control. It’s almost always reducing the level of the dry signal, unless you go in the editor and select analog dry through, but then you can’t go fully wet…it’s the same on all of RP’s new pedals. I ended up selling it because I wasn’t using it much- just wasn’t into the sounds I was getting. Totally personal though, lots of people love it.

Not yo hijack the thread but, regarding this, i noticed a similar issue and wrote to Red Panda to see if there was some kind of software upgrade in the works a few weeks ago but haven't got an answer (so far - usually they're quite quick, i guess they're caught with the Radius release).

My main point is that both with Tensor and Raster 2 i frequently find myself in need to tweak the general volume of the pedal. All of their pedals have a huge amount of secondary functions, so it always seemed weird to me that there's no way to tweak the master volume on the fly.

More specifically, when using Tensor i have the same problem as you: the dry volume, especially when using unison pitch shifting (no stretch or whatever) is always somehow "weaker" than the dry signal, no matter where the mix knob is placed, and i use the Tensor as first pedal, so it's not a matter of lack of headroom.

With Raster is a slightly different case: i wish i'd be able to lower the volume when i use it for chorusing/flanging sounds. I guess a small volume boost as a result of the dry+wet signal summing is quite natural, but damn, on a pedal with such deep features at least give me some kind of volume management!



That being said, i just sold the Blooper and i am selling a couple other pedals for the same reason of having a ton of options on one pedal and not using even a quarter of those.

[cosmicevan]

Looping with this little set up-

Tuner -> compressor -> kinematic -> ~900 -> rat clone -> ultrasheer -> ab/y box -> two EDPs -> line mixer -> amp.

I’ve been messing around using two EDPs and I like having them in parallel best, switching between them with the ab/y box. That way I can have two unsynchronized loops, fade one out while starting a new loop on the other, etc. I’m using a behringer fcb1010 to control one of them, but don’t have another midi controller to control the other one, so I’m using the included footswitch and a Moog expression pedal to control feedback. For anyone wondering, it’s not ideal. The overdub switch is wonky and needs replacement, and this may be the only instance I’ve encountered where the Moog exp pedal doesn’t work well- it only works when set to reverse sweep. The EDP is a picky piece of gear…

I thought I could use the fcb1010 to control both independently, having one bank set to midi channel 1, and an identical second bank controlling midi channel 2, and switch between them, but it was not meant to be- the fcb1010 has a global midi channel per function, and since I’m sending mainly note on/off messages, they all have to be set to the same midi channel. DUMB.

I am sort of hemming and hawing between getting another fcb1010 for the second EDP and just taking up a stupid amount of floor space, or trying the Nektar midi controller, which allows you to set the midi channel per command. I’ve never programmed one of those before, however, and there are many unknowns with how it will play with the EDP. So I’ll just sit here and put off making a decision for a few weeks.

I would also love to be able to midi switch the ab/y box, so when I go from bank 1 to bank 2, one footswitch will change banks and switch the audio path between the two EDPs, but the midi controllable ab/y market is slim and expensive pickins, and I would probably be looking at some midi controlled loop switcher at that point….blah blah blah. I’ll just stick with stomping on two different switches for now.

This sounds weird to me. I used to have a pair of Electrix Repeaters and I controlled both with a single FCB1010. I did have notations on the expression pedals as one was dedicated to the top unit the other to the bottom unit, but I had things set up that I could control them both. I am pretty sure I was only using PCs and CCs though so maybe that's the disconnect?

[le lambin]

Exactly- the fcb1010 separates the functions a single footswitch can send into 10 categories I beleive- it can do 4 or 5 CC messages, and each one can have its own midi channel. I think it can do 2 PC messages as well, each with its own channel.

The EDP is interesting in that you can use note on/off messages to mimic the behavior of the included foot controller exactly- which is preferred for basic looping functions, since it’s really responsive and fun to play that way. There are a few CC messages I use for instant access to some specific functions, but at least half of the stuff I use is note on/off messages. The fcb1010 only has one midi channel for all note on/off messages, regardless of bank.

[UglyCasanova]

been a minute.. newest.. version.. added the walrus distortion.. it is loud! and the topper things.. found out the I actually didn't need all the high taming EQs for the cello.. just needed different strings

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So cool seeing a fellow lesser known Norwegian builder, OnKartGromt, on an ILF board.

[le lambin]

A little update- I got a Morningstar MC8 to control both EDPs and I am enjoying it- it is what everyone says it is- easy to program, very powerful and a pleasure to use. Definitely worth the $$. Plus I have quick access to 16 functions per EDP- making it easy to do all the cool live destructive effects.

I also got a good deal on a used Disaster Area Designs DPC Micro to act as my midi controlled A/B switcher- and it works great for this! When I switch banks on the MC8, the DPC switches to the appropriate EDP. It’s so much easier only having to hit one switch and not worry if your signal is going to the right place.

Anyway, if anyone far in the future is lurking on here looking for a midi controlled a/b switch…the DPC micro is the fing.

[behndy]

so gooooood.

i got maaaaaayyyyybeeee a little carried away on a somewhat mirrored board idea. but suoer happy with this -

[le lambin]

Damn that’s sick- what’s going on with the two little on/off switches? I’m guessing the exp pedals are for the two line 6 things?

[behndy]

lol. tis a silly setup suh. bass (or whatever, input and outs are into patchbays) goes into the MXR looper in the middle, from there into the Infinity preamp -

Infinity Left out to Pork & Pickle into Tensor into left input of the right most HX One.

Infinity Right out to Octamizer, Hizumitas, Filter Twin into right input of the right most HX One.

before they hit the HX One 01 the little on/off switches are the left and right side of the Infinity to control if one or the other or both go on to the stereo signal section.

HX One 01 into LVX onto HX One 02 into Particle stereo then off to patchbay to go to mixer/audio interface.

the expression are dual outs, left one goes to Particle and Tensor, right one goes to the HX Ones. i might swap one of the left outs to the LVX eventually? waiting on long enough right angle patch cables this weekend to wire the Missions, everything else is golden butts.

[le lambin]

It’s really cool to see highly personalized set ups like this- extra cool that a patch bay feeds it.

[dubkitty]

reminds me a bit of my looping board which has 2 Ernie Ball volume/pan pedals that allow me to crossfade the input to either of two Ditto x2 loopers and also control the output volumes. it's a bit kludgey, but it works well. the third (1440) looper is meant to serve as a file server for prepared loopy bits, but in practice i've been using it as the sole looper when only using one because it's closer to the main board end and i like the switches better.

Saturnworks 1-to-3 isolated splitter->
--path 1: Ernie Ball 6165 volume/pan pedal->two outputs to Ditto x2 loopers->two outputs to second 6165->mono out->
--path 2: EHX 1440 looper->
->Saturnworks 3-to-1 summing box with switchable channels (second from top right)->one output to Keeley Bassist Limiting Amplifier->out.

i have a Rolls Tiny Two-Way crossover to use when i play with the guitar and bass amps, but unfortunately it doesn't fit under the board so it'll have to sit on top of the amp heads or something. there's also a Dunlop mini volume pedal for the 1440, but my full setup is kind of too big already and i just don't have room.

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[behndy]

reminds me a bit of my looping board...

lol. i SUCK at looping. and i spend so much time in Live it just doesn't really appeal, learning how to be better at it? i'm more comfy recording riffs down and building that way. i have the Clone Looper on there so i can play something first in chain, then mess with effects boxes to get toanz ironed out. people like Russian Circles are IMPRESSIVE.

... is Clone Looper s'posed to be a Star Wars Clone Trooper pun?

[dubkitty]

i find looping much more interesting than working with a computer. it's a lifelong thing for me...ever since i was a teenager one of my favorite things has been winding up a delay to its maximum delay and feedback settings and watching the sound deteriorate while stacking new layers on top. looping was the logical next step, and now my 1440 can deteriorate a loop while it's running though i haven't tested that yet because i'm in guitar projects mode right now and haven't touched the loop board since i finished it in January. the other thing is that i'm not interested in "riffs" any more, i'm interested in textures. riffs are static; looping is dynamic. i did songs and solos and riffs for half a century...it's boring to me now. i recently said looping was far superior to "playing stupid old songs in a stupid old band."

i think my Dead-tape-trader past has served me well here...having spent the 1980s patching live cassette recordings i got really good at doing silent edits in perfect time using the PAUSE control to punch in, and really all that's different here is the type of switch. the principle is the same: once you know the device's response speed it becomes ingrained. seriously, i did pause-control edits that were just as good as the ones i've done using waveform-editing software.

[behndy]

cool beans. not at all how i am comfy working. i prefer to noodle around in more of a song structure and see where it goes.

[dubkitty]

i spent so long playing Grateful Dead-style music that i'm really comfortable with the absence of structure. 15-20 minutes of making up shit as i go along has been standard practice for the vast majority of my "career." at some point i'll probably have "material" developed, but at present i pretty much turn on delays and/or a loop, play something, and see what happens. the funny thing is that i'm getting my chops back despite the fact that i'm not really playing lead guitar most of the time. i don't know what's up with that, but i'll happily accept it.