The Ugly Truth behind Cort/Cor-tek Guitars

[MEC]

It's hard to rationalize with a sad old man who has to have "news" and "information" spoon fed to him.

[bob the r0bot]

Okay guys, I think it's time to lock this thread.

[dubkitty]

i note for the record that that's the second time today you've said "ideological" when i've said nothing ideological at all. i find that rather revealing. i also note that you again substitute insisting that i wouldn't accept documentary evidence for actually producing same.

[dubkitty]

It's hard to rationalize with a sad old man who has to have "news" and "information" spoon fed to him.

so you're willing to accept that propaganda? really?

[ohsojayadeva]

Here's the deal: we have linked to the personal accounts of the workers. We have shown that arguably the most active political force in modern music, the axis of justice, has taken up their cause. You've shown nothing but continue to insist that we are being naive.

MODS: please lock this thread to prevent further dubtrolling.

[tashiattack]

i note for the record that that's the second time today you've said "ideological" when i've said nothing ideological at all. i find that rather revealing. i also note that you again substitute insisting that i wouldn't accept documentary evidence instead of actually producing same.

You demand evidence vis-a-vi in a liberal democratic context. Innocent until proven guilty, which I agree with. Legal documentation, and so forth. Remember, this is not considered a criminal matter in South Korea. Some of us wish it was, but capitalist globalization is protected by law. Anyways, this has become a civil dispute. Hence, it's ideological. You adhere to the principles of democratic liberalism. I have shown you what evidence exists to adhere to the proof of guilt, although I cannot get you the physical documentation of the findings. You did not accept, even though it's unlikely that a Union would lie about quasi-legal findings. You chuckled when I spoke of quasi-legal courts. This only leads me to assume (key word assume, not claiming) that you are a very conservative leaning person and do not accept the grievances made by workers. This is ideological. Granted your position may represent a majority of North Americans , but that doesn't make it any less ideological just because it's dominant ideology.

[plhogan]

Dunkitty, everything you say is ideological. Somebody can't post "I like fruit-loops" without you responding "You godamn lefty socialists this is why the world is going to shit because you PINKO FAGGOTS can't accept that the WHITE MAN is the most repressed minority in America war on christmas."

I'm sorry your life sucks so much. Genuinely. It sucks to be unemployed, to be unhappy. But if you can't act like a decent person and stop searching out things to disagree with then maybe you should focus on making your own life better

[dubkitty]

no, seriously, you' re not understanding. i don't "demand evidence...in a liberal democratic context." it hasn't anything to do with "context." i demand evidence that something actually happened on the other side of the world other than a video uploaded to YouTube, followed by a shoestring-budgeted media campaign that a high-school kid with a PC could cobble together--and that you wouldn't buy for a moment if it was claimed as "evidence" by someone to whom you were ideologically opposed--before i buy in. then, if something "becomes a civil dispute, hence, it's ideological"? i don't see how that's inherently necessary unless it's forced upon the case, nor do i see forcing that on the case as being positive for justice. and when i chuckle--grimly--at the notion of quasi-judicial courts, it's because i'm a student of history and i know too well what antics the state can get up to when quasi-judicial proceedings become the norm.

[dubkitty]

Dunkitty, everything you say is ideological.

damn, you're really going to be confused when you hear that i set up my volume pedal on the LEFT side of my board

[D.o.S.]

At the end of the day, the world is still divided into those who'll let you pee on them and those who won't.

Act accordingly.

[bigchiefbc]

You can't not pay taxes. You can not buy Cort.

Unfortunately, it seems that basically any budget guitar or bass made in Korea or Indonesia is Cort-made at this point.

[plhogan]

Christ man if you sit around and wait for 100% VERIFIED INFORMATION you will spend you're entire life on the couch.

I'm all for having both sides of the argument but at a certain point, either you give a shit or you don't. And if you don't, shut the fuck up.


You think Rosa Parks was on CNN giving her side? Not to make some huge ass hyperbole but in situations like this, there won't EVER be fucking pure info. Get on the bus man. What's worse, accidentally giving a shit about people who maybe are only KIND OF in need or ignoring those we can help?

What I'm saying is, do you want to be Dubkitty? Do you? Even Dubkitty doesn't want to be Dubkitty.

[rfurtkamp]

You think Rosa Parks was on CNN giving her side? Not to make some huge ass hyperbole but in situations like this, there won't EVER be fucking pure info. Get on the bus man.

Considering Parks' involvement in the NAACP and the Colvin case at the time, she was giving interviews and public appearances almost immediately. Evidence points to it being a planned event, same as most of the rest of the civil rights movement - and that's why it's been so well documented and was relatively well received by the courts. Good cases are made, not born.

Period interview with Parks, one of many. There wasn't CNN but she was available to *anyone* who wanted an interview.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoOd5ltjj8g[/youtube]

I have more respect for the fact that the movement was planned, this isn't a knock on what they were doing.

The reason I bring all this up is that when cases that are as 'well known' as Parks', Brown vs. Board, etc. to modern civil rights material like McDonald v. Chicago are examined it becomes readily apparent that there's far more going on than the conventional wisdom.

In something like the Cort workers...well, the lack of documentation, coverage, etc. leaves even greater holes for misunderstanding and for exploitation of public opinion.

What's worse, accidentally giving a shit about people who maybe are only KIND OF in need or ignoring those we can help?

The worse is focusing on cases of little interest and ignoring the greater atrocities.

What I'm saying is, do you want to be Dubkitty? Do you? Even Dubkitty doesn't want to be Dubkitty.

Given a choice between reason and automatic acceptance of claims, I'll err on the side of dubbing.

[ohsojayadeva]

Did somebody ask for an English-Language, Korean-Based news story not sourced from the Worker's movement?

http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edit ... 71173.html

http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_ ... 97365.html

FWIW, when someone comes up to me on the street and says "I've just been attacked! My purse was stolen!" I don't say "Can you show me a video? Where's the proof? I'm sorry, I just can't help you unless you can show me a 3rd party video that proves you didn't willingly hand your purse over and then punch yourself."

[McSpunckle]

Why wouldn't we believe the Korean factories are treating their employees like shit? And busting up their unions. And firing them with very little warning, lying about financial hardships, and moving production to a cheaper country...

Most big companies in the US do all of that.