The Doom Room: ILF Edition

[AxAxSxS]

Hang in there Nick, it'll all be over before you know it.

seriously, try to enjoy it. Don't stress the stuff that will inevitably go awry.

[ryan summit]

But yes, your mom is phenomenal.

[louderthangod]

6 days til my wedding then off to Ireland for 2 weeks.

Snuck in a few good songs for the wedding including Holy Mountain.

Very nice...it's 6 days till my second wedding anniversary. I had carte blanche with the music, my favorite moment was including Peaches Fuck the Pain Away.

[Iommic Pope]

That was deft. Well played sir.

Ax is right. No plan is perfect. Just roll with it and put a relative in charge of damage control.

Also, I understand why I had issues buying herbiage the other week off those kids at work. People in their twenties a horrified at the concept of children and anybody that has them. Another work mate of mine organized drinks at his place on Friday night just gone and invited all the guys from work for a lads night in. He has a ping pong table and Xbox in his garage, so it would've been a cruisy night with a few beers. He also has five kids. He's twenty six. He had to cancel as all the dudes in their twenties bailed at the last second for a get together at one of their places after confirming theyd be down for beer and table tennis.
So my theory is they can't handle people who've had kids, like we've crossed this great divide or something, or perhaps, pure and simple, they are just assholes.

Childless doomers, thoughts? Do children and friends you've known who have borne them feel alien to you know? Does the burden of their responsibility bum you out? Have they changed dramatically, because they have to plan their social calendar months in advance now?

Doomers with a brood, have you noticed a change in your interactions with the childless?

Maybe this should be its own thread....

[Iommic Pope]

I'll just add that I'm aware the responses I get from you guys will be more open minded and less representative of the demographic I was previously discussing, mostly due to the higher convention of awesome that happens around here.
But, be front up if kids freak you out.
I just wanna know the facts.

[christianatl]

Children seem horrible to me. But I imagine I'd feel differently if they were my kids.

[ShaolinLambKiller]

I can deal with children in small doses. but I chose not to have children and thus with that.... I don't want to have to deal or put up with someone else's for any extended period of time.

[neonblack]

Children seem horrible to me. But I imagine I'd feel differently if they were my kids.

This is pretty spot on. I fucking adore my son and he is my best bro, but I still can't stand anyone elses kids. Its going to be hard when my kid is old enough to have friends, because Im still going to despise them more than likely.

And as far as how the childless act, I constantly hear about fun parties that my co workers have, and all the fun hanging out they do, but nobody invites me. Someone mentioned it the other night and said they just assume I cant/don't want to go so they dont invite me. And for the most part, they're right.

They still smoke with me and help me find greenery when I'm in need, but I've known some of them for a pretty long time. Worked with some of them for 5+ years, so they knew me well before I reproduced.

[t-rey]

A lot of people are quietly weirded out by kids. Some of my friends have shared stories that a lot of their childless friends never hang out with them unless they get a sitter and the kid doesn't attend. They never came out and said it, but that seemed to be the vibe they have gotten. Of course, it could be just as easily explained by the fact that it is so much easier to coordinate stuff without the kid(s) in attendance and that makes it seem that their friends don't want the kids around.

I see less of all my friends now, even the ones who aren't single and still working in bars/restaurants. A lot of that is on me though - the kid just takes up so much time and my wife works 2-3 nights a week, making it even harder to see folks and do shit. Childless friends are less understanding about me going months without being able to grab a beer, but they seem to be coming around and trying to plan further ahead than texting me the afternoon they want to chill.

But here's the thing - we have changed dramatically. Sure, we're the same people we used to be, but our priorities and life are so drastically different than people without children that it can be hard to relate to each other at times. People without kids generally don't want to hear about your kids. Or your parenthood war stories - it reeks of martyrdom to people without kids. Keeping that in mind helps me keep friends, I think.

Also, people in their twenties are assholes.

[christianatl]

Lord knows I was

[ShaolinLambKiller]

I still am. And yea that's spot on that I don't want to hear about someone's stories about their children. It just doesn't interest me. And many times I don't relate or if I do it's only because it's similar to something that's happened with my cats. Then those people somehow get upset that I related their story to that of a pet. Sorry my cats are my children and they are already more interesting than any child.

[Barracuda]

I still am. And yea that's spot on that I don't want to hear about someone's stories about their children. It just doesn't interest me. And many times I don't relate or if I do it's only because it's similar to something that's happened with my cats. Then those people somehow get upset that I related their story to that of a pet. Sorry my cats are my children and they are already more interesting than any child.

Cats kick ass.

[Iommic Pope]

Yeah. I was a total dick in my early twenties, and the idea of kids was repulsive to me then. But, I didn't know anyone that had any so I'm not really in a position to say whether or not that would have influenced my decision to hang out with them.

Christian: that's cool man, I can understand being repulsed by kids, but do you think it has affected who you choose to spend time with, even if kids are taken out of the equation for that time period?

SLK: same question. If I'm hanging out with people to drink or whatever, my kids will most likely not be involved. Is their non presence still a factor?

Neon and T: I know those feels.
The logistics of children aside, because they are a pain in the arse, I don't even talk war stories with other parents who I'm friends with. So I'm not laming anyone out in that regard. My workmates doesn't really do that either. To be perfectly honest I get shitty with other parents who are always harping on about their kids.
I think your spot on when it comes to friends without kids not understanding that there is almost zero spontaneity in life now.i also don't think they get how precious that time you've organized to chill without kids can be, too. As it takes acts of organizational genius to make that shit happen sometimes. My work mate and I were pretty shitty that the other dudes didn't take that into account. But again, you have all the time in the world when youre in your twenties I guess...

[Iommic Pope]

I still am. And yea that's spot on that I don't want to hear about someone's stories about their children. It just doesn't interest me. And many times I don't relate or if I do it's only because it's similar to something that's happened with my cats. Then those people somehow get upset that I related their story to that of a pet. Sorry my cats are my children and they are already more interesting than any child.

We are now opening up another pandora's box: the difference between the childless, parents and cat people.

[odontophobia]

Childless doomers, thoughts? Do children and friends you've known who have borne them feel alien to you know? Does the burden of their responsibility bum you out? Have they changed dramatically, because they have to plan their social calendar months in advance now?

Doomers with a brood, have you noticed a change in your interactions with the childless?

Maybe this should be its own thread....

No brood. It's not weird to me, though. My friend Derek is one of the raddest mother fuckers I know. The only downside he ever experienced from the whole child ordeal is that he sold off a Moog Minitaur because he was worried about the low end rattling out windows when he kind was jamming on those knobs.

His son's name is Logan (Weapon X, natch) and his daughter's name is Ripley (ALIENS SUCK IT). Derek and I hit up sweet shows. His favorite band is probably High On Fire or the Melvins. We drink beer and play pinball with one another. His wife is equally cool. I recently suggested that he and I hang out and play pinball and drink beer in his basement and that we can hang out with Logan while my wife and his wife hang out with his daughter. IDGAF if you have kids. It's cool. It's weird if Derek and I want to have a black out rager in the basement and Logan is watching us get hammered. But probably not really gonna happen so whatever.

Children seem horrible to me. But I imagine I'd feel differently if they were my kids.

Same. I don't want kids -- at least at this point in my life. Kudos to all the doom bros out there oh, and to future father MASTER SKULLY but I'm just not interested right now. I'll be the first to admit that it's purely selfish -- I'm just not ready to put another plate on the table, or rather, I don't want to.