The Doom Room: ILF Edition

[AxAxSxS]

Barracuda, this is what we are working with, so, uhm no mctele's 10 cabs here. the beast in question is the big guy on the left GK4412H. not really pictured are the two 2x12's you can kinda see one on the left. My rigs the Butcher, the Simms and the sunn, feeding the left pictured big cab, the 4x12, and dos 2x12's

[whiskey_face]

ax i agree with you on the power handling.

ive blown up multiple eminences, a truckload of celestions, and even hulk smashed an ev and lit vintage jbls on fire.

speaker ive had the best luck with? fucking 25 watt greenbacks. dont ask i dont get it either.

[D.o.S.]

i've posted this before, but i finally got the amazingly beautiful vinyl of this in the mail today. i haven't been able to afford to buy records for the most part for quite a while, but now that things are starting to level out i finally got to pick this up. my absolute favorite thing to come out in the past year or two. having the record and jamming it on the real stereo fucking rules. everyone should buy this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkiAfB1oLk[/youtube]

Is it just me, or is the mix on this weirdly sparse?

edit: Just for the first few minutes, apparently.

[Ancient Astronaught]

No, just one at a time, I like to double the speakers power handling to the amps output so I don't have to worry about them blowing up. We all know these ratings can be a bit spurious. The 1200s is the loudest amp thats used for guitar at my disposal. Brian amp duder said he measured it over 150 but couldn't stand to turn it up all the way. so I think a bit more than that might be possible. The peavey classic 400 gets to play with that cab as well, but not at the same time.That thing claims 400 tube watts and considering the forest of glass inside, I believe em. As it is I am pretty conservative using the cab. once it starts to hit major speaker break up it looses some of what makes it sound so good. It's my theory that the weirdo cab configuration is what makes it sound so good, not the actual gk stock speakers. Cause, c'mon, gk. My hope is that some more robust speakers will let it sing at more extreme volumes, and let the amps open up a bit more.
I may be a bit nervous about this due to my past record of killing shitty cabs. Cabs don't like me sometimes it seems. I've learned to recognize the signs of distress and I'm starting to hear them in this one.

the high end drop off would be a bit of an issue, but this cabs all about the low end anyways. I have 8 12's working off the simms and the butcher to be tweeters.
It would be nice to find another option that's rated like the emmy's are but have better range. Iff it was just the 1200s, I think the webers would probably be fine. KVLT demands more.

On my third edit, wanted to thank Parker for the music I'm listening to, and looking forward to van muddy sounds.

Sounds to me like you should just go for full range bass / pa speakers like the Emi Delta's. Your most likely not gonna find any ten's that handle twice the power of 4 12's. If you go with say 4 Emi Delta 12a's or Pro 12a's plus the cb102's you'd have a cab rated for 2000w and pretty much full range. You'll still have to watch that you don't blow the ten's with the CL400 but with 400w power handling and the 4 12's taking some of the juice it should be relatively safe for you, you'll probably have to worry more about excursion limit than power handling at that point. With the 1200s you could crank it to ten all day long and the cab will laugh at you.

[AxAxSxS]

Like I said, the ratings are kinda spurious.
Whisk
and they will know by the trail of dead speakers.

[AxAxSxS]

Sounds to me like you should just go for full range bass / pa speakers like the Emi Delta's. Your most likely not gonna find any ten's that handle twice the power of 4 12's. If you go with say 4 Emi Delta 12a's or Pro 12a's plus the cb102's you'd have a cab rated for 2000w and pretty much full range. You'll still have to watch that you don't blow the ten's with the CL400 but with 400w power handling and the 4 12's taking some of the juice it should be relatively safe for you, you'll probably have to worry more about excursion limit than power handling at that point. With the 1200s you could crank it to ten all day long and the cab will laugh at you.

Do they make a 4ohm 10"delta? Where? those were my first thought as well but I have not seen any at 4. Lots of 32ohm options, some 16 and a few 8ohm but it seems there are not a lot of 4ohm 10's out there. And to clarify, the 2x10's don't need to be twice the 4x12's, just want them to be at or above what the amps put out so 400 total would probably be as good as I can do. with the whole cab at 1000+ I'd feel comfortable turning shit up.

[misterstomach]

just found this band. it's pretty good, if you're in the mood for classic 70's styled throwback stuff, which i only occasionally am, but i like some of these bands. figured someone here might dig it.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waWrOD6VAeo[/youtube]

[AxAxSxS]

Actually, AA, I was thinking about it and I think I misunderstood you. The emmy 10's I was looking paired with delta 12's is looking like the way to go.

[samzadgan]

just finished listening to it...so good...on youtube now listening to their other stuff.

[Barracuda]

Barracuda, this is what we are working with, so, uhm no mctele's 10 cabs here. the beast in question is the big guy on the left GK4412H. not really pictured are the two 2x12's you can kinda see one on the left. My rigs the Butcher, the Simms and the sunn, feeding the left pictured big cab, the 4x12, and dos 2x12's

Looks god damn amazing.

[Ancient Astronaught]

Actually, AA, I was thinking about it and I think I misunderstood you. The emmy 10's I was looking paired with delta 12's is looking like the way to go.

Yeah I was getting a lil confuzzled but now were on the same page.

[Kacey Y]

Quick question for you guys, just an opinion thing. If you're listening to a band that has distorted bass and no guitar, do you prefer it to sound very layered and have a lot of depth of tones or just be very obviously a single heavy bass tone? I'm playing around with mixing some solo bass stuff, to try out some sonic ideas and see if there's anything I like the direction of before messing around with complicated rig configurations.

[Ancient Astronaught]

Quick question for you guys, just an opinion thing. If you're listening to a band that has distorted bass and no guitar, do you prefer it to sound very layered and have a lot of depth of tones or just be very obviously a single heavy bass tone? I'm playing around with mixing some solo bass stuff, to try out some sonic ideas and see if there's anything I like the direction of before messing around with complicated rig configurations.

I personally prefer a singular thick as hell bass tone. That's not to say something like a blend of a distorted tone and clean tone but if theres like a rythmn bass section with a bass solo over it can sound clutered and weird to me.

[samzadgan]

Thats an interesting question...I'm going with a weak answer of saying it depends on the song...both have their place and the context of the song would define my preference.

[Kacey Y]

I personally prefer a singular thick as hell bass tone. That's not to say something like a blend of a distorted tone and clean tone but if theres like a rythmn bass section with a bass solo over it can sound clutered and weird to me.

I was thinking something more involved than clean blend. I'll just say exactly what I'm messing with, so it's clear. I posted a track the other day that was just bass and drums (rough draft of a song idea). It was the Dunwich Cthulhu, clean blended with a very light overdrive (basically clean, but kind of lightly pushed tube sound). It was completely unmixed, raw tracks. I went back and messed with it in mixing, to see if I could fill it out to sound good without guitar on it. So I mixed the main fuzzy bass track, then I doubled, cut everything below 140 Hz, ran it through a guitar 4x12 cab impulse, put some EQ on it to emphasize the mids and high end and put a directional spread on it to give it a wide panned stereo feel. Then I just mixed that track up under the main bass track and put a little reverb on it and the drums, keeping the main bass track dry, up the middle and heavy. It came out a bit more mid scooped than I would have it in real life with a multi-amp rig, but I just wanted to see if it filled up enough space to sound good without guitars over it. The original version has a really beefy, heavy, solid feel to it though that could probably be enhanced with just some traditional mixing. I'm just playing around with ideas, because I'm having no luck getting a band together and I'd rather pursue a solo project I can try to gig with than sit around doing nothing for another year.

Thats an interesting question...I'm going with a weak answer of saying it depends on the song...both have their place and the context of the song would define my preference.

Yeah, fair point. I may put up some comparison examples later, to get some detailed feedback. It's kind of more uptempo heavy sludge/rock stuff, kind of similar to Weedeater or something like that maybe. Not really grim, atmospheric doom metal. A style that doesn't traditionally have a lot of guitarless bands.