The Doom Room: ILF Edition

[Iommic Pope]

Do it!
Also that looks rad as fuck.

[fever606]

full stack.

full stack.

full stack.

[chillerthanmost]

It will be done. Just gotta wait for a decent cab with decent speakers at a decent price to come up.

[pelliott]

Speaking of full stacks: Those familiar with the old Butchers/VTMs -- they're designed to power 4 16 ohm cabs and have a inputs for 16, 8, and 4 ohms. Could I do two 8 ohm cabs through the 8 & 4 ohm inputs? Similarly, can anyone remind me how daisy chaining works?

[van_muddlestein]

Got my cleans finished on the new recordings. They sound fantastic but I'm not happy with my dirt tones at all. I'm not getting the sound I hear in the room to come through my monitors. Amp is cranked to stage volume, SM57 (haven't tried an Audix i5 yet though) moved away, right up on the grill cloth, angled from halfway in the cone pointed towards the dust cap.... none of it is sounding like I want it. Trying to get it sounding the way I want with a little eq added later. Tell me what I'm doing wrong guys.

My suggestion is to not use the 57. Try using a large diaphragm mic close up and then get some room tones via something else. Blend to taste. Enjoy.

[chillerthanmost]

Head to cab then cab to cab. Two 8 ohm cabs would be a 4 ohm load.

[odontophobia]

Grats Tony! Looks to be in killer fucking shape.

[AxAxSxS]

Nice one on the amp!

Diggin the recent mic conversation. I learny thing.

Keep it coming.

[fever606]

Just gotta wait for a decent cab with decent speakers at a decent price to come up.

I feel like this is what I am always doing.

Like, always.

[Joe Gress]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-1fBWHioA[/youtube]

Any argument for "I need this amp/kit/gear to bring the brootz" is now invalid lol

[emptyparadigm]

Doomfriends, got stuff in the BST. DR discount applies as always - viewtopic.php?f=44&t=44748

Also, just scored a brand new set of the Brent Hinds Lace pickups for a song. eBay bucks ftw. Can't wait to get this second Les Paul put together and ready for action.

[AxAxSxS]

Speaking of full stacks: Those familiar with the old Butchers/VTMs -- they're designed to power 4 16 ohm cabs and have a inputs for 16, 8, and 4 ohms. Could I do two 8 ohm cabs through the 8 & 4 ohm inputs? Similarly, can anyone remind me how daisy chaining works?

just remembered to respond to this. the back is labeled on the top and the bottom of the out jacks.
like so-

1st . . . . . 2nd . . . 3rd . . . 4th
16ohm 16ohm 16ohm 16ohm
speaker speaker speaker speaker
O . . . . . . O . . . ..O . . . . O
.......... 8min . . 4min . . . NA

the way I have been assuming it works is with switching jacks that go to the next tap when two or more cabs are plugged in. I think the only way to foul it up would be to plug a 16 ohm into the NA one or something.

[conky]

I think I'm done buying amps for a while. Quite a long while.

You motherfucker!

Congrats on that sexy beast.












Dibs on the flip.

Got my cleans finished on the new recordings. They sound fantastic but I'm not happy with my dirt tones at all. I'm not getting the sound I hear in the room to come through my monitors. Amp is cranked to stage volume, SM57 (haven't tried an Audix i5 yet though) moved away, right up on the grill cloth, angled from halfway in the cone pointed towards the dust cap.... none of it is sounding like I want it. Trying to get it sounding the way I want with a little eq added later. Tell me what I'm doing wrong guys.

My suggestion is to not use the 57. Try using a large diaphragm mic close up and then get some room tones via something else. Blend to taste. Enjoy.

Last night I flipped the cab around in the closet so I had more room between the wall and speakers. I put an sm57 and an i5 on each of the bottom Reapers on the edge of the dust cap and cone to see what sounded best. Figured I'd use one and then do the same thing with the condensers and then record those two. So far it sounds better. Really nice and thick. I think the cab just needed room to breathe. Once I take the kid to school I'm gonna start recording again. I'll try to post clips.

[dazedbyday]

Last night I flipped the cab around in the closet so I had more room between the wall and speakers. I put an sm57 and an i5 on each of the bottom Reapers on the edge of the dust cap and cone to see what sounded best. Figured I'd use one and then do the same thing with the condensers and then record those two. So far it sounds better. Really nice and thick. I think the cab just needed room to breathe. Once I take the kid to school I'm gonna start recording again. I'll try to post clips.

Not trying to repeat what has already been said but you are dealing with a couple of problems here. As skip has already said the sound you are recording is not the sound you are hearing in the room. You would have to stick your head right up against the grill to get an idea of what the mic is hearing. Guitars are recorded like this to eliminate the room tone and/or bleed from other instruments if recording others at the same time. By eliminating the room sound you are getting a more "clean" or "direct" sound that is much more present and upfront in comparison to distant mics. This is because as you pull the mics back it is able to pick up more of the sound that is bouncing around the room thus introducing reverb and phasing/filtering as the sound waves cancel or boost one another. It really helps to study the room you record in to figure out how audio is affected and learn that this corner boosts bass for example.

By recording in a closet you may be effecting the sound a bit more as the walls are so close that, even though you have the mics right up on the grill, you might be getting certain frequencies boosted or cut since the closet is acting pretty similar to an iso box. An iso box is nice as it allows you to muffle the sound in a small space but it also effects how the speakers sound, especially in comparison when used in a more open room. And you are only making it worse by using the 6x12 as you are now having even more speakers throw out even more waves that can cut and boost. This leads into the physics problems of building cabinets with multiple speakers and phase cancelation. But having all those speakers in such a small space is probably one of the problems you are having when trying to record. So good to hear that flipping the cab has helped a bit. You might just want to suck it up and drag the cab out of the closet when no one is home and see if recording outside of the closet helps the sound any.

Or, not to suggest heresy, use a smaller amp/cab. You can still get a big sound from smaller stuff. It is what a lot of guitarist do when they head into the studio as it can be pretty hard to get a good recorded sound off big gear without blowing shit up or dealing with stuff like I described above.

Mic choice is a whole other topic that can lead down a crazy spending spree. I personally never really liked the sm57 all that much. But it is cheap and a good work horse. If you are looking for something different check out some ribbon mics like the royer 101 or 121. They are way more expensive then a sm57 but they also work really well with it or by themselves. Ribbons tend to have a more rounded and warm sound.

[Jäke]

If I'm not mistaken, that Atlas 6x12 is wired so that one can just run two of the six speakers, ya? Perhaps utilizing that function might help abate some of the signal that's being thrown around in the closet? Of even if you end up taking it out of the closet, something to consider.