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I'd say look into teaching programs, local or abroad. Besides your current program, is there anything keeping you from studying abroad? The only drawback with being a teacher is the amount of work that comes with it. It's difficult though, trying to find the best method of income to support a passion without getting trapped in a career.

backwardsvoyager wrote:my degree itself is basically worthless, unless my job interests were recording engineering or post-production for for TV or film (i have no real interest in either). it's a 'new' degree and the employment rate in relevant fields out of it is currently less than 10%.
i wanted to stay and finish it because if i get a bachelors' degree i'm eligible to go and be an assistant language teacher overseas for a year or more which is paid work that i'd enjoy and would give me time to contemplate my future and relieve a bit of stress. but really, that's a temporary solution regardless of how much i'd enjoy it so i'm not sure it's worthwhile to continue anymore.
basically i just want to produce music but i'm not interested in making it a career as far as worrying about making money from it goes, i just want to write and play to the best of my abilities, that's what i'm 'passionate' about.
as far as jobs go, i like teaching/education a lot, but i don't want to do that in Australia which kind of complicates things. the trouble is i'm not really interested in owning a house or getting married or having kids or any material things beyond the means to travel (currently, at least) so i lack the traditional motivation to find a 'career'. asking most of my friends for advice is pretty useless because they're focused on career prospectives/money/etc

yeah i feel the same way
i started doing a business/arts degree because it was expected of me to go to uni
then i only picked arts subjects because i dont really give a fuck about business but found it impossible to make friends and found uni incredibly overwhelming, partially due i guess to doing an arts degree which has such a large cohort and is so open ended. also most of it bored me. i can kind of see myself going down a sociology/anthropology path if i HAD to pick something, which i guess i will have to do eventually
so i dropped everything except one subject, which was 'drugs across cultures' which really interested me and i could do from home before the census date and then i got checked into a mental hospital for a month and failed the one i kept
i dont know what to do with my life as i dont really want to go back to uni but im also too terrified to get a job as my one working experience was fucking awful
realistically i should be back in the hospital as i am no better than when i went in but it just didnt help at all
so im sort of stuck at a crossroads with no appealing options at all

and i still have the flu
sorry for hijacking your post backwards
i reckon taking some time off and going travelling would be a good thing for you!

backwardsvoyager wrote:my degree itself is basically worthless, unless my job interests were recording engineering or post-production for for TV or film (i have no real interest in either). it's a 'new' degree and the employment rate in relevant fields out of it is currently less than 10%.
i wanted to stay and finish it because if i get a bachelors' degree i'm eligible to go and be an assistant language teacher overseas for a year or more which is paid work that i'd enjoy and would give me time to contemplate my future and relieve a bit of stress. but really, that's a temporary solution regardless of how much i'd enjoy it so i'm not sure it's worthwhile to continue anymore.
basically i just want to produce music but i'm not interested in making it a career as far as worrying about making money from it goes, i just want to write and play to the best of my abilities, that's what i'm 'passionate' about.
as far as jobs go, i like teaching/education a lot, but i don't want to do that in Australia which kind of complicates things. the trouble is i'm not really interested in owning a house or getting married or having kids or any material things beyond the means to travel (currently, at least) so i lack the traditional motivation to find a 'career'. asking most of my friends for advice is pretty useless because they're focused on career prospectives/money/etc

yeah i feel the same way
i started doing a business/arts degree because it was expected of me to go to uni
then i only picked arts subjects because i dont really give a fuck about business but found it impossible to make friends and found uni incredibly overwhelming, partially due i guess to doing an arts degree which has such a large cohort and is so open ended. also most of it bored me. i can kind of see myself going down a sociology/anthropology path if i HAD to pick something, which i guess i will have to do eventually
so i dropped everything except one subject, which was 'drugs across cultures' which really interested me and i could do from home before the census date and then i got checked into a mental hospital for a month and failed the one i kept
i dont know what to do with my life as i dont really want to go back to uni but im also too terrified to get a job as my one working experience was fucking awful
realistically i should be back in the hospital as i am no better than when i went in but it just didnt help at all
so im sort of stuck at a crossroads with no appealing options at all

and i still have the flu
sorry for hijacking your post backwards
i reckon taking some time off and going travelling would be a good thing for you!

weed_killer wrote:I'd say look into teaching programs, local or abroad. Besides your current program, is there anything keeping you from studying abroad? The only drawback with being a teacher is the amount of work that comes with it. It's difficult though, trying to find the best method of income to support a passion without getting trapped in a career.

i have to look into that. i was thinking of transferring to a combined education/international studies degree, but as far as i'm aware that's only available for primary education and i'd be better as a secondary teacher.
part of me is tempted to just do a secondary education degree because of how easy it would be to get a job as a teacher here, but as you said, i want to eventually support myself without being locked into a career, and i certainly don't want to be tied down in this country for the foreseeable future.

Tom, i would say not to be afraid of working. not all jobs are terrible. i was working at a chicken farm for a few months which was absolutely terrible, both physically and mentally draining and i would never go back to something like that. now i work at a pizzeria and its fine, a bit tense sometimes but its a good bunch of people and i don't feel depressed or too worn out when i get home. it's just not enough money to be able to move out of home with unfortunately.
we're still way young, anyway. don't be afraid to put off regular work or study just yet if it gives you the time and space to be happy and do things you like. even though i've been studying for nearly 2 years now i'm basically a total bludger

gunslinger_burrito wrote:I've been contenplating going to school because I want an excuse/reason to be around the stuff I give a shit about while working a job I hate less.
Food for thought.

that makes sense. for me its more like i'm doing a degree that's relevant to my interests but i'm not really getting anything out of it and would prefer to study something i like that's unrelated to my 'passion' than something music-related that i don't care about. i'm sure the situation would be different if i was working a lot at a job i hated though.

I hate when you say something to someone, and they tell you you're wrong and give no reason, you explain why you're right in thorough painstaking detail, and then they tell you you're wrong again with no reasoning. I really don't understand people.

backwardsvoyager wrote:i'm thinking about dropping out of uni. or at least flunking this semester and going overseas for a little while to think about what to do afterwards.
i like being at uni because it makes me feel less worthless and provides some sort of short term goal system, but my degree is poorly organised and isn't helping me or teaching me much at all.
so i'm basically just throwing money down the drain to be with my friends and not have to work more than a couple of days a week. i really have no idea what i'm doing.

When I was doing my diploma course, I was feeling a little behind and not really knowing what I was doing. I ended up taking a deferment for about 6 weeks. Just to catch up on some assignments and to get my head together. It was the best thing I could of done. I was refreshed, felt positive and really was able to hit the ground running again. Maybe if that is an option then try a deferment for a month or 2. Might help a great deal. Do you have a course mentor? Maybe have a sit down and chat with them about it. But don't give up. You will probably regret it later.

jfrey wrote:I hate when you say something to someone, and they tell you you're wrong and give no reason, you explain why you're right in thorough painstaking detail, and then they tell you you're wrong again with no reasoning. I really don't understand people.

It's because people make decisions based on emotion first, logic second. This was something that came up in neuroscience. In theory, in order to change peoples' minds, you have to appeal to their emotions, their viewpoint, first, somehow. Or you can tell them to tell you what they know about "x" without using their smartphone or citing what "they read somewhere" or "what someone they know, who is really smart, told them." Most people know jack shit about whatever they're arguing about. It's a pet peeve (or worse) of mine, too.

looks like i'm going to have to change my medication AGAIN. the Welbutrin seemed good at first, but now i'm having massive depression in the mornings that lasts most of the day and my skin's breaking out like i was fifteen. also, the positive effect it had, giving me energy to do more stuff, has faded with the two months i've been on it. i'm really, really tired of this.

The fucking flu. My face feels constipated.

I was also hoping for a pedal to arrive today, but no such luck.

I'm still at this job with no end in sight until I can find another roommate. I despise sitting all day but any job that is available to someone with my degree and knowledge is just the same thing I already have.

I fucking hate capitalism.

sadly, socialist states also require credentials. you didn't get to be one of Stalin's rocket scientists by the fervency of your belief or anything. though it DID work in the Chinese "Cultural Revolution."

what i hate is working at all any more. i wish there was a proper dole in the US so i could go on it. i'm fifty-seven years old, and i've done enough, damn it.

I ate two sandwiches this morning thinking I was just going to do nothing today and watch Claymore......then my friend showed up at my front door asking if I want to skate. What was I supposed to do? "Oh, no dude. I'm super full. Later." Now, I'm gonna go skate with a food baby. Freakin' uncomfortable.

dubkitty wrote:sadly, socialist states also require credentials. you didn't get to be one of Stalin's rocket scientists by the fervency of your belief or anything. though it DID work in the Chinese "Cultural Revolution."

what i hate is working at all any more. i wish there was a proper dole in the US so i could go on it. i'm fifty-seven years old, and i've done enough, damn it.

Yeah retirement and assistance is harder to come by here it seems. I understand it must be really hard to overcome chronic depression when jobs and finances are always blocking recovery. Wish more people understood that.

I meant that I loathed capitalism because it centers everyone's lives around money and jobs. I'm qualified for positions I like, their hiring process is extremely slow. I just got an email today about a position I applied for in April. The HR department's at colleges and university move slower than any organization I've ever seen, slower than I had ever imagined before. Mostly I'm just sick of my job being calling people who want nothing to do with myself or my company and seeing if they want to buy shit.


Sometimes I wonder if I really am depressed. Most days I just feel like I hate the world so much that I don't want to be a part of it. Is there really a coping strategy or cure for that?

Wes Mantooth wrote:

dubkitty wrote:sadly, socialist states also require credentials. you didn't get to be one of Stalin's rocket scientists by the fervency of your belief or anything. though it DID work in the Chinese "Cultural Revolution."

what i hate is working at all any more. i wish there was a proper dole in the US so i could go on it. i'm fifty-seven years old, and i've done enough, damn it.

Yeah retirement and assistance is harder to come by here it seems. I understand it must be really hard to overcome chronic depression when jobs and finances are always blocking recovery. Wish more people understood that.

I meant that I loathed capitalism because it centers everyone's lives around money and jobs. I'm qualified for positions I like, their hiring process is extremely slow. I just got an email today about a position I applied for in April. The HR department's at colleges and university move slower than any organization I've ever seen, slower than I had ever imagined before. Mostly I'm just sick of my job being calling people who want nothing to do with myself or my company and seeing if they want to buy shit.


Sometimes I wonder if I really am depressed. Most days I just feel like I hate the world so much that I don't want to be a part of it. Is there really a coping strategy or cure for that?

I have similar feelings as you. My coping strategy so far has been "drink heavily," but the area where my liver is feels a little sore today so maybe not such a great long term plan after all.

friendship wrote:

Wes Mantooth wrote:

dubkitty wrote:sadly, socialist states also require credentials. you didn't get to be one of Stalin's rocket scientists by the fervency of your belief or anything. though it DID work in the Chinese "Cultural Revolution."

what i hate is working at all any more. i wish there was a proper dole in the US so i could go on it. i'm fifty-seven years old, and i've done enough, damn it.

Yeah retirement and assistance is harder to come by here it seems. I understand it must be really hard to overcome chronic depression when jobs and finances are always blocking recovery. Wish more people understood that.

I meant that I loathed capitalism because it centers everyone's lives around money and jobs. I'm qualified for positions I like, their hiring process is extremely slow. I just got an email today about a position I applied for in April. The HR department's at colleges and university move slower than any organization I've ever seen, slower than I had ever imagined before. Mostly I'm just sick of my job being calling people who want nothing to do with myself or my company and seeing if they want to buy shit.


Sometimes I wonder if I really am depressed. Most days I just feel like I hate the world so much that I don't want to be a part of it. Is there really a coping strategy or cure for that?

I have similar feelings as you. My coping strategy so far has been "drink heavily," but the area where my liver is feels a little sore today so maybe not such a great long term plan after all.

Retail therapy sometimes works for me. But only when I have some money. Otherwise I just keep myself distracted with other shit so I don't notice my depression.