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KaosCill8r wrote:The Indonesian government have just shot a couple of Australian heroin smugglers. What pisses me off is that Australian bleeding hearts are complaining about it. Had they got into the country with that shit, how many people would that smack have killed? A lot probably. I have lost a lot of friends to that shit, not to mention lost my soul and almost my life several times to that poison myself. Fuck the heroin smugglers and dealers. And fuck those idiots complaining that those arseholes were executed for it. Rant over!

I understand you have strong feelings about heroin but once they're caught there's no point mentioning what that heroin would have done to anybody because death penalty or not they're done for, they were stopped like they should have been and there's no way they could do anything like that again, they'd be in prison lamenting their fuck-up for the rest of their lives and programs exist to give these people chances to still contribute to society, shooting them to death because it's 'cheaper in the long run' is an important issue that needs to be handled thoughtfully, I don't know which way I sway on this but simply condoning what happened doesn't sit too well with me personally.

You're right about people though, they're only complaining because they're Australians, this shit happens all over the world all the time and a majority of people will only give a shit when it's 'one of their own' that fucked up. Anyone who starts preaching aloud about that shit just in times like this is full of ignorance and juvenile patriotism, not compassion and certainly not understanding of the laws of other countries. There's no way around it, you can't ignore the big picture and have a cry about small instances like this expecting it to matter, people are executed every day without anybody rushing to their side to defend them.

KaosCill8r wrote:The Indonesian government have just shot a couple of Australian heroin smugglers. What pisses me off is that Australian bleeding hearts are complaining about it. Had they got into the country with that shit, how many people would that smack have killed? A lot probably. I have lost a lot of friends to that shit, not to mention lost my soul and almost my life several times to that poison myself. Fuck the heroin smugglers and dealers. And fuck those idiots complaining that those arseholes were executed for it. Rant over!

addiction is an illness (dependency can be psychological and physical) and i think there should be more support given to, and more tolerance shown towards, people with addiction problems. i also appreciate that what you have said about your past personal circumstances will make this a difficult issue for you to deal with.

but i don't think anyone should be killed for smuggling drugs and i'm not an idiot.
most adults (unless there is some underlying incurable mental disorder) have the capacity to regret decisions they have made in the past and resolve to change their behaviour to try to become better people in the future. even try to make amends for mistakes made in their past. drug dealers and drug addicts, along with everyone else.
had you been obliged to deal drugs to fund your addiction you might have gained a wider perspective on this.
i sometimes struggle with that principle when it comes to murder and serious offences against children, but drug smuggling is not in that category.

we can agree to disagree on this as you have had experiences on one side of the debate and i know people who have had experiences on the other.

on a closing note, if you look at the list of countries with the harshest punishments for drug possession and drug dealing, they often align depressingly closely with those who also have the most appalling records on human rights generally (social inequality, gender inequality, death sentences for homosexuality, death sentences for insulting religious figures, death sentences for political resistance, etc).
in my opinion the handing down of death sentences for drug smuggling and possession only make sense among such other nonsense laws.

tabbycat wrote:but i don't think anyone should be killed for smuggling drugs and i'm not an idiot.

Nice rhetoric technique right there!

I have friends who where really deep into the smack hole, and it is fucking terrible, and they've done things that I find horrifying, to themselves and others. Now, a few of those people have gotten clean and are now living good lives with higher morals than most of my sober/alchohol only friends. Disqualification from life by experience and bad choices is not okay. People fuck up. I fuck up. You fuck up.

It's such a multifaceted issue I have been struggling with it all day
Ultimately, almost all global drug policy is fucked and further stigmatises sufferers of addictions which exacerbates the negative effects of said addiction and reduces safety and the possibility of well being to nil

I hope more countries start to follow the lead of Portugal in terms of decriminalisation, to make it easier for addicts to get help and hopefully push even further into legalisation for quality control and to take power away from gangs and cartels

A lot of drugs are fucking awful but the war on drugs makes everything significantly worse - the two Australians are two more casualties to add to the countless others caused by it
(Side note: 'chasing the scream' by johhan hari is a great book about this topic)

UglyCasanova wrote:Exam tomorrow (Nineteenth-century American literature). Chance of failure: Alarming. That's what I get for having a slacker semester. Got to play a lot with my pedals for the last four months, though. There is sort of a comfort in that...

Update: my ability to write incoherent sentences about things I do not know reached an all time high. Holy shit. Probably my worst exam ever. As long as I pass it only counts for 30% of my grade, so I'm not too worried.

Still...fuck me.

They smuggled heroin into a country that executes people that do that. They knew the risks.

I don't believe in capital punishment either, but the way the media down here has backflipped from scapegoating them to now trying to get them canonised is fucking shameful.

WAH! MEDIA!
WAH! MURDOCH PRESS!



Anyway, came in here to complain ABOUT BEING STUCK IN ANOTHER DEPRESSION/ANXIETY/FATIGUE/PROCRASTINATION LOOP.
I suck.
Apparently.

Iommic Pope wrote:Anyway, came in here to complain ABOUT BEING STUCK IN ANOTHER DEPRESSION/ANXIETY/FATIGUE/PROCRASTINATION LOOP.
I suck.
Apparently.

It's just a habit of thought.
Go distract urself whenever it comes on and don't dwell on it.
Go play this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX613U_DWzE[/youtube]

Red Panda Context pedal I sold got fucked up in the mail. Hall mode makes the craziest noise ever. Had him send it back and gave him a refund. I needed them moniezzzz!

I feel like I've had a crushing migrane for months now. I finally started taking anti-depression meds and I feel like I can finally get out of this decade long depression/anxiety/fatigue/procrastination loop but I unno. Feels like I'm right over the edge to productivity but can't get over it.

Prozac didn't do shit for me though, maybe a higher dose of Wellbutrin will actually help.

Be careful with those SSRI's, dude. They're only meant for emergencies. They're only prescribed for daily use now because it's a quick fix. The root of the problem will still be there, waiting. Getting off of those pills again is really, really fucking hard. I'm talking from experience, both personal and in close relations. Do not fuck with antidepressants.

There are other ways to try to cope (even if you're an extreme case). Having struggled with severe anxiety and depression myself, I've been on SSRI for most of my childhood/teenage years. Took me forever to quit, and it was some of the worst months of my life (almost an entire year actually). I literally had to scrape/chip off like a quarter of a milligram every week in order to not go into withdrawal. And the withdrawal for SSRI's are...you guessed it, anxiety and depression. Evil circle is evil.

Not trying to tell you what to do, but I'm letting you know that it's a very rocky road. Personally, meditation has worked for me. 20-30 minutes a day. Rather that than feeling like a zombie. Might not work for you, but I'd sure as hell try a lot of things before taking SSRI's on a regular basis again. I keep a little bit of valium on me at all times though, for emergencies. Luckily, I haven't taken one since I started meditating daily (4-5 months ago).

Eh, I've avoided taking SSRI's for that exact reason for the past decade hoping I could I resolve my issues myself, but after the last super low dip I finally decided that maybe I need meds. Besides my insane downward spirals I've gotten so accustomed to the normal levels of anxiety/depression that I don't even realize it anymore. That and the constant head fog, I could really live without that (which apparently isn't normal to have 24/7)

Of course. I don't know your situation at all. I still get these oscillating (cool right?) trails of thought, where thoughts are just rushing through my head at the speed of light. Sometimes, it's so hectic that I actually feels like the thoughts are overlapping eachother. It's like a soup of thoughts spinning around and I can't seem to cling on to anything. Fucking worst kind of anxiety attack for me. Those are the times where I reach for my valium. Anyways, what I'm saying is, you should do what you feel is right. I'm just used to people being handed SSRI's for frowning in the waiting room of the doctors. People not dealing with their problems and doctors treating problems as if they were working with faulty machines on an assembly line, you know? In most cases it's not something that will go away with a pill. It's about actually getting some perspective on your own self (sounds cheesy). I do see a psychiatrist, and I've learned so much about how and why I've become the person I am today. Also, exploring one's self through meditation has been a real wake up call for me, personally.

Ramble!

I didn't mean to suggest that you were one of those people looking for a quick fix. I hope it works out for you and that you feel more productive and at ease in life, buddy!

Nah definitely wasn't getting uppity with you!

I definitely have insane racing thought style stuff happen, but that's in social situations usually for me and I don't think that'll ever get fixed. I don't like taking pain killers either because I had a nasty spell in high school. My PCP is really against prescribing SSRI's, but I had a whole plan laid out to him where I visit a counselor and shit; and when I told him about how I tried to solve it myself I think that put him at ease. I'm trying to think of the SSRI's as a tool that'll help me, definitely not looking at it as the magic cure.

They have severely plowed my sleep schedule though. I didn't think I could actually feel shittier after a nights rest but boy have these shown me how wrong I was.

Labella canceled my string order with no explanation, probably thought the gauges I picked were too large for a short scale. And their office closed 4 minutes before I called them. And my Rusty Box was supposed to come today but it didn't.

UglyCasanova wrote:Be careful with those SSRI's, dude. Personally, meditation has worked for me. 20-30 minutes a day. .

Wellbutrin's not an SSRI. I can personally vouch for its effectiveness. +1 on meditation. It's been a life saver, but in addition to the 4 pills I have to take to keep my moods stable (my depression is bipolar, not unipolar). And I'm not being uppity towards you either

Strange Tales wrote: Besides my insane downward spirals I've gotten so accustomed to the normal levels of anxiety/depression that I don't even realize it anymore. That and the constant head fog, I could really live without that (which apparently isn't normal to have 24/7)

Know that feel. Good luck in finding what works for you