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misterstomach wrote:Yeah, the Yamaha sg's are actually a double cut les Paul style and not an sg at all. They used sg as a model name going back into the '60's when they weren't copying gibson at all. The '60's and early '70's sg's are all kinds of crazy shapes. In the mid '70's when all the Japanese companies were copying gibson and that's what the market wanted Yamaha jumped on board and made that awesome double cut les Paul design. They just kept the model name as sg cause that's what they'd always done. Even though in the beginning it was a coincidental similarity in name to the gibson guitars. Obviously it throws a lot of people off who are expecting an actual sg copy.

All that being said, unless you're looking at a nicer one like an sg 1500 or better, I'd probably go with the ibanez. The 700 and 800's aren't quite on par with the artists in terms of materials and build quality. Although they are still good guitars. I'd go with the ibanez anyway on that list although I wouldn't kick that tokai out of bed by any means.

The SG800 onwards are exceptionally well made, and the lower models are still very good for what you can sometimes find them for. The SG1000 is easily on par with the AR100. However they do tend to be more beat up and cost a lot more. The SG1000 goes for £1000 in the UK now while I picked up my AR100 for £600. For the money, the Artist is much better value, but the SG1000 is still considered an equal, it's just become overpriced now since the demand is so high.

samzadgan wrote:I thought you had an Ibanez Ar100...you've spoken about it before, which is why i have been considering it...the only thing holding me back is that fact that i already have 1 Ibanez...which is a stupid reason, but gives you an insight as to how my mind works!

As far as the Yamaha...the one thing holding me back on the 700 is the fact that it doesn't have neck binding...and i know, 1 day, when i have the money, i would get a tobacco burst SG1000 and getting something that isn't quiet what i want may be a waste of money...thats the same argument as the LP Studio...I know one day i may get a Custom or similar so the Studio is never going to cut it for me. So...looks like I'm leaning towards the Tokai too...

As far as the Tele...you could get custom Tele bodies made up pretty cheaply...or, what about the old Peavey Tele's? they were suppose to be really comfortable guitars.

Yeah, the AR100 is a fantastic guitar. The only problem is its a bit tooooo fat sounding. I'm still searching for a guitar with the fatness and sutain of a Les Paul and the airiness and bite of a Tele. Also it's pretty heavy. Damn comfortable though. It fits to the body extremely well. It's probably the best guitar I own, but I play my Strat more as the Artist gives cramps in my fretting hand if I play it for long periods of time.

samzadgan wrote:thanks for the advice guys.

so nows its narrowed down to the Ibanez and Tokai…ill be pulling the trigger in a week…so will have to see which one is still available when i have the cash!

The Tokai will hold its value extremely well, but for a unique guitar the Artist is where it's at. It's 50/50 for me. I would have to play them side by side to choose since they're both equally excellent on paper. Got any pics?

AngryGoldfish wrote:

misterstomach wrote:Yeah, the Yamaha sg's are actually a double cut les Paul style and not an sg at all. They used sg as a model name going back into the '60's when they weren't copying gibson at all. The '60's and early '70's sg's are all kinds of crazy shapes. In the mid '70's when all the Japanese companies were copying gibson and that's what the market wanted Yamaha jumped on board and made that awesome double cut les Paul design. They just kept the model name as sg cause that's what they'd always done. Even though in the beginning it was a coincidental similarity in name to the gibson guitars. Obviously it throws a lot of people off who are expecting an actual sg copy.

All that being said, unless you're looking at a nicer one like an sg 1500 or better, I'd probably go with the ibanez. The 700 and 800's aren't quite on par with the artists in terms of materials and build quality. Although they are still good guitars. I'd go with the ibanez anyway on that list although I wouldn't kick that tokai out of bed by any means.

The SG800 onwards are exceptionally well made, and the lower models are still very good for what you can sometimes find them for. The SG1000 is easily on par with the AR100. However they do tend to be more beat up and cost a lot more. The SG1000 goes for £1000 in the UK now while I picked up my AR100 for £600. For the money, the Artist is much better value, but the SG1000 is still considered an equal, it's just become overpriced now since the demand is so high.

i agree that they're well made. i wasn't trying to say otherwise. i guess what i was thinking about was things like pancake bodies and such. even the 1500 is a pancake body. i don't know why that rubs me the wrong way as much as it does, but it does. but the 1500 is neck through and has an ebony board and is a really nice guitar. all those yamahas are nice guitars. my bandmate has a 1500 and it's killer. i just prefer the hardware on the artist and i like that it has a one piece body. i love the bridge on that thing. i guess i was just trying to say that they are both well made good guitars, but you can get more guitar with an artist than you'll get with the yamaha for a similar price, unless you've found a fantastic deal on one of the higher end sg's.

the sg 1000 is a nice series of that guitar and they are well made and all, but i would argue that it's maybe not on par with an ar100 just in terms of materials. i.e. pancake body, smaller bridge with less string travel, etc. but really it's splitting hairs to get into much disagreement over it. their both awesome, i'd be stoked to have a good deal on either one, and they're incredibly similar guitars.

AngryGoldfish wrote:The Tokai will hold its value extremely well, but for a unique guitar the Artist is where it's at. It's 50/50 for me. I would have to play them side by side to choose since they're both equally excellent on paper. Got any pics?

Yeah…here's the pics…

misterstomach wrote:i agree that they're well made. i wasn't trying to say otherwise. i guess what i was thinking about was things like pancake bodies and such. even the 1500 is a pancake body. i don't know why that rubs me the wrong way as much as it does, but it does. but the 1500 is neck through and has an ebony board and is a really nice guitar. all those yamahas are nice guitars. my bandmate has a 1500 and it's killer. i just prefer the hardware on the artist and i like that it has a one piece body. i love the bridge on that thing. i guess i was just trying to say that they are both well made good guitars, but you can get more guitar with an artist than you'll get with the yamaha for a similar price, unless you've found a fantastic deal on one of the higher end sg's.

the sg 1000 is a nice series of that guitar and they are well made and all, but i would argue that it's maybe not on par with an ar100 just in terms of materials. i.e. pancake body, smaller bridge with less string travel, etc. but really it's splitting hairs to get into much disagreement over it. their both awesome, i'd be stoked to have a good deal on either one, and they're incredibly similar guitars.

You definitely get more guitar for your money with the Artist. Back when you could find SG1000's for £700, that would most certainly be an alternative worth considering, but unless you REALLY want an SG1000 and, as you say, you find the perfect one, get an Artist before their prices go up too. Even if my AR100 becomes worth as much as an SG1000, I don't know if I'd want to sell it. The only reason I would is if I found something even better at a similar price point, 'cause like I said the AR100 to me is still not the perfect guitar. Although the neck is not huge by any means, it's still a little too big, and the weight and 'dullness' of the sound gives it a one-trick-mind for me. With that said, it's a beautiful jazz guitar. It has such a deep lush low-end. Fucking love it.

samzadgan wrote:

AngryGoldfish wrote:The Tokai will hold its value extremely well, but for a unique guitar the Artist is where it's at. It's 50/50 for me. I would have to play them side by side to choose since they're both equally excellent on paper. Got any pics?

Yeah…here's the pics…

The Tokai looks better, but I've never liked zebra pickups. All cream is much sexier, IMO. I removed the 'cloud' bridge piece on my AR100. Although it's left holes in its place, I prefer it.

What's the mini-toggle on the Artist? I don't have one on mine.

Still need openers for Raleigh, Cleveland, Dallas, Little Rock and NOLA.

i think the mini toggle is coil-tapping the pickups. Apparently it has a lot of scratches and dents, but thats a lot of character and given its age (1981) you wouldn't expect any difference. One of the issues is there is no case, and not sure how easy it is to find a good "fitted" case for these guitars.

The Tokai is in pristine condition from 2005…and i know what you mean about zebra's…but they're the mule pickups, so should sound great, and i don't have a guitar with zebra pickups. I could also just get any LP type case and it will fit fine.

I would go with the tokai. . . but. . . you know me and les pauls.

christianatl wrote:Still need openers for Raleigh, Cleveland, Dallas, Little Rock and NOLA.

Talk to Donny (theavodon) about Dallas, he might have some peeps.

I do like the Yamaha SG shape. It's grown on me a lot.

My boat anchor:

whiskey_face wrote:I would go with the tokai. . . but. . . you know me and les pauls.

Yeah, I'm the same...i jizz all over a nice LP!

AxAxSxS wrote:

Nostradoomus wrote:Played a show on Saturday and a few light fixtures fell down from the ceiling while we were on. Didn't land on anybody and the owner of the place thought it was awesome haha. Milestone acheived.

Hahaha I think my exact comment after John's cab fell down was, "Acheivement Unlocked". It got a few laughs from the crowd.

christianatl wrote:Still need openers for Raleigh, Cleveland, Dallas, Little Rock and NOLA.

try Classhole (that's the owner of Siberia's own band) or Fat Stupid Ugly People. I'm assuming the others are backing out since it's a thursday night.

My artist fits in a les Paul case.

ShaolinLambKiller wrote:

christianatl wrote:Still need openers for Raleigh, Cleveland, Dallas, Little Rock and NOLA.

try Classhole (that's the owner of Siberia's own band) or Fat Stupid Ugly People. I'm assuming the others are backing out since it's a thursday night.

Others backing out? We haven't asked anyone.

D.o.S. wrote:

christianatl wrote:Still need openers for Raleigh, Cleveland, Dallas, Little Rock and NOLA.

Talk to Donny (theavodon) about Dallas, he might have some peeps.

Thanks buddy.