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Three things to say.

One. Music theory is useful as a language for quickly getting across what you want to another musician (instead of having to mime everything) but I think the most useful musical skill is being able to "visualize" the next note you want to hear and make your fingers go there automatically. It's great to know what a minor third or a sixth is but it's better to be able to turn an idea in your head into a riff on the fretboard without a bunch of hunting and pecking. Like if you can hum a riff in the shower and then pick up a guitar and play that riff, that is an awesome skill to have. And it makes improvising parts in a band situation so much easier. If you know the theory you can find your way, once you know the key you're in, but so much better to just know what fret you need to hit to replicate the note you hear in your mind.

Two. Once you're an adult your relationship with your parent is voluntary. There is no reason to feel bad about moving on from a shitty situation. I would give a family member a lot more slack than an old friend, but not an endless amount.

Three. I just saw a Sly and the Family Stone video and they all had WHITE Peavey 6x12 cabs and they looked amazing. Thinking of painting all my cabs white... or learning how to tolex lol.

Sly Stone Peavey Kvlt:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ptrc2cWRxU[/youtube]

ryan summit wrote:i grew up in bergen county too
F.L.to be exact

Fort Lee or Franklin Lakes?

fallen wrote:Music theory is useful as a language for quickly getting across what you want to another musician (instead of having to mime everything) but I think the most useful musical skill is being able to "visualize" the next note you want to hear and make your fingers go there automatically. It's great to know what a minor third or a sixth is but it's better to be able to turn an idea in your head into a riff on the fretboard without a bunch of hunting and pecking. Like if you can hum a riff in the shower and then pick up a guitar and play that riff, that is an awesome skill to have. And it makes improvising parts in a band situation so much easier. If you know the theory you can find your way, once you know the key you're in, but so much better to just know what fret you need to hit to replicate the note you hear in your mind.

This is very true^
Also knowing what intervals are and how they are used to make a particular chord is very handy. How else to do you create a chord shape on an alternate tuned guitar. Sure you can fumble around in the dark and hope for the best. Also being able to know the accidentals (sharps & flats) for a particular scale. And yes there are B sharps or F flats depending on what major or minor scale you are playing.
Knowing theory is not the be all end all when it comes to being a musician. A lot of people get by fine just using their ears. Because I believe if it sounds right it must be right. But being able to use theory and being able to listen and play opens up a whole new world of music exploration and experimentation.

Krosis wrote:

ryan summit wrote:i grew up in bergen county too
F.L.to be exact

Fort Lee or Franklin Lakes?

right in between
geographically and economically
fair lawn
best bagels
worst...uhh...everything else

Those white Peavey's do look sick.

No theory knowledge here.

50k a year in phoenix goes a long way.

between me and the wife we do pretty good. much better then how we were our first few years together. at least we didnt argue about money. there was none to argue about

no student loan here i barely made it through high school. i feel bad for some of my buddies theyre 100k into school debts and cant find jobs in their field so theyre stuck at 12$ an hour intern shit.

ive offered them jobs but they dont want to work manual labor in a block plant wirh degrees lol

fallen wrote:One. Music theory is useful as a language for quickly getting across what you want to another musician (instead of having to mime everything) but I think the most useful musical skill is being able to "visualize" the next note you want to hear and make your fingers go there automatically. It's great to know what a minor third or a sixth is but it's better to be able to turn an idea in your head into a riff on the fretboard without a bunch of hunting and pecking. Like if you can hum a riff in the shower and then pick up a guitar and play that riff, that is an awesome skill to have. And it makes improvising parts in a band situation so much easier. If you know the theory you can find your way, once you know the key you're in, but so much better to just know what fret you need to hit to replicate the note you hear in your mind.

Absolutely agree. That's where I am. can think of entire songs in compositing while I'm at work and then when I get to record after work. It's very minor work of picking out those riffs. I have no theory. I was self taught and all I cared about was how certain sounds worked with other sounds. I didn't watch youtube vids, I only did a few tabs to learn songs. but mainly it was just through playing everyday. so my language is pretty much nonexistent. but at least when I communicate an idea on guitar while I am on drums I can describe as in the picking style I want, and just name off the frets and strings where I want someone to go.

whiskey_face wrote:
ive offered them jobs but they dont want to work manual labor in a block plant wirh degrees lol

that's what's the problem with most people. Sorry if it wasn't your dream job but suck it up and be a man earning a living.

AxAxSxS wrote:

misterstomach wrote: my family was super unsupportive about music growing up,

I feel ya bro, I had the constant running joke of my dad thinking calling me a punk was some hellish insult, kinda made it all come into a humerous perspective for me. I mean he got all big on that word before I was old enough to realize it had a different meaning than an insult, but once I realized that it helped make the dude into a joke. the guy used to yell at me late night for playing a strat unplugged in the opposite end of our place. I don't know how he even heard it. I've tried to reach out in recent years but he's still a fucking idiot who treats people like shit.

that sucks, dude. i mean, to be clear, my parents and i get along great and are tight now that i'm an adult. and they are good folks who did good by me, just in this particular instance, they weren't at all supportive of me being a musician. i think they were misguided and it really sucked when i was young and that's all i wanted to be. and i would have benefited from lessons. i've often felt like i was behind folks who had a teacher when they were young. i mean, it's been decades, so whatever. i'm still happy playing.

and also, the theory that i have learned in my own pursuit of it has been awesome as far as making me a better songwriter. i love it. i'm always trying to learn more as i go. and it's improved my ear a lot too to be able to understand what i'm hearing a little better. i wasn't born with the best ear, but i've learned a lot.

misterstomach wrote:i don't even know what keys and intervals and shit are. i mean, i kind of know, but not really. i've studied a wee bit of theory on my own. like i know a bit about counterpoint, but it's really basic. but basically i don't know shit. i never had a fucking lesson in my life. my family was super unsupportive about music growing up, so i was just on my own. plus i'm pretty stupid so i just cave man that shit. congratulations to everyone who writes songs in 5 minutes. or who learns songs in 5 minutes. that's great. it takes me two months to write a song. they're usually 15 minute songs, but still. i mean, if i show up and jam with someone and i'm watching them and playing with them i can usually figure out something to do before too long. but if someone just tells me a key and intervals and starts going i'd probably just pack up and hit the door. not my style at all. i'd much prefer someone dancing the fucking parts to me. that sounds great.

Man man.

misterstomach wrote:

christianatl wrote:We'll be in Seattle in Feb, my dude.

We would LOVE to go to Australia. Alas, we have zero dollars and zero label support.

i hope this includes a portland stop. after all these years, i'd love a chance to drink a glass of orange juice with you and see your pretty face and watch your band live and in person.

Indeed it does.

Seattle, Portland.....


Denver as a pit stop on the way?

Krosis wrote:I'm in Bergen County.

JOEY DIAZ

Joe Gress wrote:Seattle, Portland.....


Denver as a pit stop on the way?

We're direct support on this tour, so we don't have much say on the booking / routing, but yes I'm pretty sure Denver is on there as well.

We can't announce until they do, but I'll spread the gospel here as soon as I can.

christianatl wrote:

Joe Gress wrote:Seattle, Portland.....


Denver as a pit stop on the way?

We're direct support on this tour, so we don't have much say on the booking / routing, but yes I'm pretty sure Denver is on there as well.

We can't announce until they do, but I'll spread the gospel here as soon as I can.

music theory is very poor on my side too...ive tried guitar lessons about 3 times in my life, and only ended up going to about the first 3 lessons and gave up for boredom. I've picked a bunch of stuff on videos etc...but i would not be able to talk theory with any band mates. Usually its a case of looking and copying and getting in the groove. Most things i can play would be in my style of music...if someone was playing something very different style with very different chords etc...i would need to me to show me...

not sure if anyone has posted this before...but finally got around to watching the whole thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=796Ri4sDWls