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Beasleyboy wrote:Get to go see Red Fang open up for Opeth and In Flames tomorrow night. Pretty pumped

Yeah -- new Opeth record wasn't really doing it for me.

Enjoy Red Fang.

Wildebelor...that sounded really good...and the dirt you kicked in at the end was like icing on the cake!

Beasleyboy...let us know how that gig goes...red fang would be cool...and opeths set list seems really interesting, they're mixing old and new

samzadgan wrote:Wildebelor...that sounded really good...and the dirt you kicked in at the end was like icing on the cake!

Red Fang killed it. Didn't stay for the rest of show and I'm totally ok with that. It was like the changing of the guards when Red Fang finished. Dudes with beards and flannel leaving, goth kids coming in

I was gonna go to that show in Denver last week, but I couldn't allow myself to pay $47 for tix. Glad you enjoyed it

Yikes! $47!?

D, was Scott using the pedal you built for him last night? Sun Giants are sounding better than ever. Maybe it's in "in the moment" thing but I think they sounded even better than last week, when they sounded pretty fucking good!

You guys have any volume management tips for quickly getting things level? I think that's something we could do better but I don't want to be one of those bands doing extended fucking sound checks that seem to take longer than the actual set does. I like getting up there, making sure the amps and mic's work, and then GO! is there a cheap DB meter option out there?

no idea other then getting it all perfect in practice then taping the volume knobs. . .

that works until that douche sound douche wants everything quiet

master volume pedlolz on each board?

AxAxSxS wrote:Yikes! $47!?

D, was Scott using the pedal you built for him last night? Sun Giants are sounding better than ever. Maybe it's in "in the moment" thing but I think they sounded even better than last week, when they sounded pretty fucking good!

You guys have any volume management tips for quickly getting things level? I think that's something we could do better but I don't want to be one of those bands doing extended fucking sound checks that seem to take longer than the actual set does. I like getting up there, making sure the amps and mic's work, and then GO! is there a cheap DB meter option out there?

Getting the volume right at practice and then marking or making a mental note of where everything is set. We exh have a practice and a stage volume level. Load in, dial the vol up to the appropriate setting, instantly ready to rip.

Also, we tracked all of the leads/overdubs yesterday. 9 hours of guitars. I don't want to think about playing guitar again for a day or two.

After much shit work I have finally got this working





Needs a PCB revision but I think it will be good. Its going to be a very difficult kit to fit in a 1590BB

Barracuda wrote::love:

This!

What method do you guys usually use when going about writing a song? I have decided to work on the basics of songwriting so maybe I can actually get something accomplished musically in my lifetime But it's not like doom is your average 3 chord rock and roll...

Just sit down and play, it's a bonus if you can record what you do. A looper is also a great tool to have.
When a moment does this to you-



Then you have the beginning of a song.
the looper comes in handy if you are writing alone. Take your basic riff and play over it, develop subtle variations and changes, these then develop into the next riff. Most of the ones I take pride in were done in this way and happened very spontaneously. It helps the song feel as though it's parts belong together as opposed to just different riffs, loosely thrown together.
If you are lucky enough to be writing with others, welcome changes made to your initial idea. Don't dismiss ideas out of hand, try them out and see how it will sound. I find running through something with the band tends to give everyone a solid opinion on if it's working or not.
Resist the temptation to rush into the good bits. Make that intro drag out a bit, be patient and then when the tasty bit's hit, they have more impact.

Another thing I like to do is slow stuff way down. I mean WAAAAAy down. force yourself to play ridiculously slow and focus on those little nuances you can add with how you attack the note, vibrato or bending, sliding into the next note. Gilmour type stuff. Often what was empty space, in a slowed riff, becomes an empty palette, that begs to be filled. once you have the ideas together and are playing in a band context, tempo will become what is appropriate for the riff.

Good advice, thanks!

I do find myself coming up with lots of great riffs. The thing is I never know where to go next to flesh out a whole song. I thought I would go back to the basics of songwriting and trying different chord progressions, you know 1-4-5, that sort of thing. Problem is that those classic chord progressions don't usually sound very doomy.

taking a "great riff" that you dont know where to go with, is exactly where the looper is nice. A cheap ditto might work well for this, didn't like it for in band stuff but it looped just fine.
Spend a half hour or more on a riff making variations and your hands will write the next part for you.