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AngryGoldfish wrote:

chillerthanmost wrote:Yeah, I played a 100w JMP for a while, a '79, and it was loud but I never felt it had enough balls behind it. It was also previously modded for high gain and a bunch of shit, so who knows, we got rid of it.

Maybe consider something else entirely like a Science Mother. More expensive, of course, but probably more reliable.

http://www.scienceamps.com/

I love Science amps, and I love his Mother amp too, but I still don't think it will fix my Super Bass / Model T desires I do want to retire my old ass Sound City at one point though, and would want to replace it with something on the modern Matamp type of clone territoy, at which point the Mother would be ideal!



I've explored basically every option known to me, and still keep going back to wanting an early 70's Super Bass or 1st Gen Model T, given that I can score one at a fair deal. But just like some people are saying their 50w Marshall was louder than many other amps, I was wondering how loud a Super Bass is to a Model T, given the "50w" difference, which doesn't mean much really.

It's really more about the bass response, IMO.

DR201.

Like , a 50-watt Marshall is "loud," but there's no way it pushes bass like a hundo does.

new05002 wrote:DR201.

I've been loving Hiwatts lately.

Could do a true 200W Marshall, its not beyond the scope of any builder. Could do a 6xEL34 type DR201 power amp but use the general Marshall Superbass schematic.

christianatl wrote:Like , a 50-watt Marshall is "loud," but there's no way it pushes bass like a hundo does.

I've had plenty 50 watters and also prefer the 100 watt variants. I've always liked Model T's and I think it was reading one of your interviews that got me interested in an old Marshall, then I realized they are both just about the same amp minus a few details, haha.

new05002 wrote:DR201.

This I would trade my blueline SVT for if I had the chance. I'd love an original KT88 DR201, but I'd stick to bass with that.

new05002 wrote:Could do a true 200W Marshall, its not beyond the scope of any builder. Could do a 6xEL34 type DR201 power amp but use the general Marshall Superbass schematic.

The only builder I trust and want a custom amp from has been backed up on orders. Great for him :::cough:::you:::cough:::, bad for me

chillerthanmost wrote:

new05002 wrote:DR201.

This I would trade my blueline SVT for if I had the chance. I'd love an original KT88 DR201, but I'd stick to bass with that.

new05002 wrote:Could do a true 200W Marshall, its not beyond the scope of any builder. Could do a 6xEL34 type DR201 power amp but use the general Marshall Superbass schematic.

The only builder I trust and want a custom amp from has been backed up on orders. Great for him :::cough:::you:::cough:::, bad for me

the 6xel34 version I see less often compared to the 4x88 version but all good.

Yea I move as slow as anything

christianatl wrote:Like , a 50-watt Marshall is "loud," but there's no way it pushes bass like a hundo does.

This is what I reckon is most important when you're finding one 100 watt tube amp isn't enough but another 100 watt tube amp is. I've never heard anyone say a Model T isn't loud enough. Never. I've heard them say the headroom isn't high enough, but not that it's too quiet or doesn't crush. I have had experience with a Super Bass and seen a Model T live, but I couldn't give an opinion over which is louder. The Super Bass is more like a Marshall and is loud and cutting. The Model T filled everything with noise. It was more enveloping.

new05002 wrote:

chillerthanmost wrote:

new05002 wrote:DR201.

This I would trade my blueline SVT for if I had the chance. I'd love an original KT88 DR201, but I'd stick to bass with that.

new05002 wrote:Could do a true 200W Marshall, its not beyond the scope of any builder. Could do a 6xEL34 type DR201 power amp but use the general Marshall Superbass schematic.

The only builder I trust and want a custom amp from has been backed up on orders. Great for him :::cough:::you:::cough:::, bad for me

the 6xel34 version I see less often compared to the 4x88 version but all good.

Yea I move as slow as anything

The last few that I've seen pop up have been the 6xel34 version. I wouldn't mind that if I was gonna use it on guitar, but I feel it would just be a louder/bigger version of my Sound City. Or at least in the same ball park. But I actually don't know shit about DR201's, so I could be wrong. I know I prefer my Sound City 100 over the few DR103's I've heard, but that's about it.

AngryGoldfish wrote:

christianatl wrote:Like , a 50-watt Marshall is "loud," but there's no way it pushes bass like a hundo does.

This is what I reckon is most important when you're finding one 100 watt tube amp isn't enough but another 100 watt tube amp is. I've never heard anyone say a Model T isn't loud enough. Never. I've heard them say the headroom isn't high enough, but not that it's too quiet or doesn't crush. I have had experience with a Super Bass and seen a Model T live, but I couldn't give an opinion over which is louder. The Super Bass is more like a Marshall and is loud and cutting. The Model T filled everything with noise. It was more enveloping.

I hear yah. Honestly, I think I would be happy with either one. and I would probably pick up whichever I found first in my budget or as close to as fair as possible. I figured I would just try to scope out others experiences. Thanks for chiming in!

I could use some more song writing advice from you guys. I decided to tab out riffs rather than record them, because I am finding it easier for me to develop the riffs if I can just play them back off of a page. I actually have 2 "songs" written now, but they are only 2 - 3 minutes long. Seeing as how doom is a genre known for long songs, what do you guys suggest for fleshing out a song?

chillerthanmost wrote:

AngryGoldfish wrote:

christianatl wrote:Like , a 50-watt Marshall is "loud," but there's no way it pushes bass like a hundo does.

This is what I reckon is most important when you're finding one 100 watt tube amp isn't enough but another 100 watt tube amp is. I've never heard anyone say a Model T isn't loud enough. Never. I've heard them say the headroom isn't high enough, but not that it's too quiet or doesn't crush. I have had experience with a Super Bass and seen a Model T live, but I couldn't give an opinion over which is louder. The Super Bass is more like a Marshall and is loud and cutting. The Model T filled everything with noise. It was more enveloping.

I hear yah. Honestly, I think I would be happy with either one. and I would probably pick up whichever I found first in my budget or as close to as fair as possible. I figured I would just try to scope out others experiences. Thanks for chiming in!

I'd say go for the Model T. You'll always be curious about it. And if it's not your cup of tea and you see a Super Bass for sale locally that's a good price, you'll easily be able to make your money back with the Sunn.

Krosis wrote:I could use some more song writing advice from you guys. I decided to tab out riffs rather than record them, because I am finding it easier for me to develop the riffs if I can just play them back off of a page. I actually have 2 "songs" written now, but they are only 2 - 3 minutes long. Seeing as how doom is a genre known for long songs, what do you guys suggest for fleshing out a song?

Don't flesh out the songs if they don't really need it. I sometimes fall back into the habit of extending songs because that's the style or genre I want the song to represent, but then I remind myself that some songs are much better at 3 minutes. Listen to any Whores. track and you'll see why adding another few minutes on to their songs would weaken the record. That said, Whores. isn't traditional Doom.

For me, if I want to flesh out a song, I'd try and find space and do something within it, usually very little. I'd pick out points where sparsity would work and start messing around with noise makers and ambience. I wouldn't do that with every song, but with a mid-album track you could tweak and mess around with noises to fill out empty spaces, or even have 'empty' spaces entirely.

Krosis wrote:I could use some more song writing advice from you guys. I decided to tab out riffs rather than record them, because I am finding it easier for me to develop the riffs if I can just play them back off of a page. I actually have 2 "songs" written now, but they are only 2 - 3 minutes long. Seeing as how doom is a genre known for long songs, what do you guys suggest for fleshing out a song?

Play three times slower