Where do we stand on Billy Corgan? //hivemind

[casecandy]

[Swordfishtrombone]

And holy shit, I didn't know Varg is a vlogger now. subb'd

Oh, yes... he is (not very) familiar with the ancient Germanic pagan magick known simply as "Windows Movie Maker."

Even better, he actively comments and responds to comments on his YouTube channel.

Like... Michael Jackson hears that and he doesn't even think about it. He makes popcorn.

I watched a couple, and yeah, I love how he seems like he really isn't totally sure what hes doing. Didn't look thru comments to see him replying tho.

And yeah, I don't even really care what he has to say. I'm just amused by Varg rambling on at a camera for several minutes.

Someone should teach William about webcams and vlogging tbh. I'd watch the hell out of him whining about things...

[popvulture]

Let's all just watch this again.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryYcyt8FPlg[/youtube]

[oscillateur]

I am not a big fan of Varg at all but... I find the shit he says less dumb than Billy but more fun... [although I agree 100% with rfurtkamp about Billy]

Seriously people, stop saying bullshit like that. This guy is a fucking neo-nazi, he's the opposite of fun. He deserves no attention from anybody at all, let him rot somewhere all by himself (though prison would be better for him).

Corgan is definitely a delusional moron but he's still underneath people like that on the global scale of awefulness (if that's even a word).

[rustywire]

Comment before watching [well I'm 3min in] but faldoe & psychicvampire both made great points/posts.
The most divisive & hateful, hypocritical voices I've encountered in 20 years of internet belong to people who claim to be "fighting for equality" "fighting for inclusiveness" "fighting for diversity" while displaying counterproductive methodology, homogenous hivemind and zero tolerance for dissent & dissimilar opinions. People who casually & actively discriminate against X while justifying it as an attempt to elevate Y. People who will misinterpret what you said and insist their distortion is what you intended/factual etc.

People who see sexism everywhere are typically the worst sexists.
People who see racism everywhere are typically the worst racists.
People who subscribe to intersectional oppression hierarchy theory seem to be the most prejudicial people alive.
Most of the well-meaning "I AM FIGHTING FOR THE OPPRESSED!" individuals don't realize they're being used as political tools to push marxist ideology while desperately virtue-signaling to the tune of "I AM A GOOD PERSON! LOOK HOW TOLERANT I AM OF MARGINALIZED PEOPLE" and excusing allies' behavior which marginalizes the persona-non-grata of the moment, currently straight white males.

Also anyone who utters the phrase "I'm on the right side of history" in defense of blatantly intolerant action/rhetoric = on the wrong side of "being a decent human being"

Corgan displays a lot of SJW-like behavior & mannerisms...but that's probably because severe narcissism seems to be the defining characteristic.

[rustywire]

If he was a boob, I'd like him.

But what casecandy says echoes my thoughts on political correctness. If SJWs are a bigger part of your life compared to actually bigoted people, you live a blessed life and should stop being the little bitch you accuse others of being.

Implying SJWs and *actual bigoted people* are mutually exclusive


I agree with your advice though... [w/r/t blessed life in the west] but why doesn't it apply to SJWs who try to ban and censor everything *problematic* like cartoon butts in video games?

[casecandy]

"I think trying not to be racist is the new racism."

"Maybe purity that demands exclusion isn't real purity. Maybe paradise is a lie."

Both Jeff Winger quotes

[Faldoe]

Let's all just watch this again.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryYcyt8FPlg[/youtube]

oh boy. haha.

"Maybe purity that demands exclusion isn't real purity. Maybe paradise is a lie."

Both Jeff Winger quotes

[snipelfritz]

If he was a boob, I'd like him.

But what casecandy says echoes my thoughts on political correctness. If SJWs are a bigger part of your life compared to actually bigoted people, you live a blessed life and should stop being the little bitch you accuse others of being.

Implying SJWs and *actual bigoted people* are mutually exclusive


I agree with your advice though... [w/r/t blessed life in the west] but why doesn't it apply to SJWs who try to ban and censor everything *problematic* like cartoon butts in video games?

I'm not a fan of censorship either. I'd rather live a life where I'm making something and people are paying enough attention to it to get pissed off rather than stuck in a small town around people who tell you racist jokes that make you uncomfortable and you have to smile and nod.

That's my perspective. I could act like it's more complex than that, but maybe it's not.

[psychic vampire.]

I am not a big fan of Varg at all but... I find the shit he says less dumb than Billy but more fun... [although I agree 100% with rfurtkamp about Billy]

Seriously people, stop saying bullshit like that. This guy is a fucking neo-nazi, he's the opposite of fun. He deserves no attention from anybody at all, let him rot somewhere all by himself (though prison would be better for him).

Corgan is definitely a delusional moron but he's still underneath people like that on the global scale of awefulness (if that's even a word).

Just going to repost this.

Never understood the excuses for Varg. Like people who prattle on endlessly about Skrewdriver's thoroughly mediocre and forgettable first album bc "they weren't nazis yet." Shit is weak.

[D.o.S.]

I think a lot of it comes from enjoying Burzum records, and if you're not the kind of person that can just let an album be an album you're sort of compelled to be like "oh but..."

Not that I think that's what BSoul is doing here, but just an observation. I dig a couple of Burzum albums (and that darkthrone record he did lyrics for), but I'm not a fan of who the guy is or what he stands for.

[lost in music]

People who see sexism everywhere are typically the worst sexists.
People who see racism everywhere are typically the worst racists.

People who say things like "people who see sexism/racism everywhere" as if there wasn't actually racism and sexism everywhere are usually the worst racists/sexists, actually.

[casecandy]

Here's the commentary of Keith Kahn-Harris a.k.a. The Metal Jew. It matches my own opinion of listening to Burzum pretty closely. And I'm pretty sure, without speaking for him, that it matches Spacey's pretty closely, too (based on things he's written on ILF). Any bold is mine.

Part of the problem with Burzum is that the issues surrounding the artist are often reduced to a choice between absolute anti-racist rejectionism and apolitical "It's only music"'-ism. I reject that choice. Burzum's work is simply too interesting musically to be dismissed outright but Vikernes's views are too much a part of his work to be simply ignored. What Burzum requires is active, critical listening that goes alongside an active, critical political imagination.

The issue gets even more complicated when you think through the implications of this: does the practice I suggest apply to all artists? Could Skrewdriver for example be listened to in this way? I would argue that Burzum is much more artistically important than Skrewdriver but pinning down exactly why is very difficult.

Put another way, how many people own a copy of Lovecraft's stories? Virtually everyone who maintains a personal library and has an interest in horror and fantasy, literally tens of millions of people. How many of them are Nazis? How many of them are not? How many of them are people of colour? How many of them, POC or otherwise, are actively involved in struggles against racism? Now, there are differences here. Lovecraft is dead. And he didn't actively promote racism. But it was integral to his work. You have to take the baby and the bathwater; you cannot throw the latter without retaining the first, in his case. And most people choose to do just that.

[D.o.S.]

'Burzum's [music] is too interesting musically'.


That's some deep analysis right there. I trust this guy. Especially since he's decided to go by "the metal jew."

[casecandy]

'Burzum's [music] is too interesting musically'.


That's some deep analysis right there. I trust this guy. Especially since he's decided to go by "the metal jew."

Dude, it was a post on his personal blog. A quick Google of his name will show that he's a serious sociologist of metal music. Forgive his flippancy in a work that probably his mom and significant other were reading at the time.