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Eivind August wrote:Why are you not on one of the ILFcasts?!

I have requested this multiple times. Pretty sure he would be fine doing a solo spoken word thing.

He’d have one listener, at least.

lordgalvar wrote: I love punk... think it did some great things and changed some stuff for the better haha.

Ha, yeah I know man and I agree. I forget where I heard that joke but it was obnoxious enough for me to remember it years later.

Lordgalvar: tell me your favorite FOAM anecdote.

LG: what's the best Crass album(s)?

Most people would pick Feeding of the 5000 or Penis Envy, but l think it's Christ the Album. It's the creepiest and the second disc is a pretty neat tape collage.

i'll check it out. i tried to listen to "Feeding of the 5000" on YouTube, but the combination of the approach and the (IMO awful) production made it unlistenable for me, and i have a pretty wide tolerance for the noisy/unusual.

People hate Christ the Album because it seems over produced haha.

Feeding I think is well loved because it was punk without the pop and it was a big change to a lot of people.

Penis Envy is I think where things kinda intersect.

Probably stay away from 10 notes on a Summer Day and Yes Sir I Will. And the two new albums.

In high school every one used to tell me "just listen to conflict, the message is the same with better music"...which is pretty weird haha. I didn't listen (though I love conflict).

Crass has some weirdness to their background...Penny's earlier band was a noise/absurdist/hippie band called Exit. I hear some kraut rock and more experimental stuff in crass while they are still firmly rooted in punk. I think the bass player was a guy plucked from jazz bands haha. The whole thing was calculated though...I think Penny knew what he was doing with a kind of amateur regiment military absurd punk thing (their original name was stormtrooper). Lots of tape work too. Crass is probably best thought of in the light of their total work (art, pamphlets, music, public image, bullshit, etc)...

Kinda like the KLF. The songs are cool, but the entirety of the work takes it to another level. (Or why some people like Zeppelin...)



Foam stuff...I'll be back to type it. Meanwhile...Mr. Angle...do you have a copy/link to the original Prince Vikings Fight Song? .I couldn't find it last time I looked.

I have Stations of the Crass and Bloody Revolutions on vinyl, that's as far as I got with Crass.

I was moving on from some bands I'd liked up until that time (1980) - I didn't buy Sandinista, Autoamerican or Telekon
I was discovering new bands - U2/Boy, Pretenders, Echo and the Bunnymen/Crocodiles, Killing Joke, The Vapors/New Clear Days, Dexys Midnight Runners/Searching For The New Soul Rebels, Toyah/Sheep Farming In Barnet
and continuing to buy work by others - Elvis Costello, The Jam, Kate Bush, Stiff Little Fingers, Split Enz etc.

I think that I was too much of a middle-class softie (my Dad was a headmaster) to properly understand bands like Crass, but I did like the bits I bought.

lordgalvar wrote:People hate Christ the Album because it seems over produced haha.

Feeding I think is well loved because it was punk without the pop and it was a big change to a lot of people.

Penis Envy is I think where things kinda intersect.

Probably stay away from 10 notes on a Summer Day and Yes Sir I Will. And the two new albums.

In high school every one used to tell me "just listen to conflict, the message is the same with better music"...which is pretty weird haha. I didn't listen (though I love conflict).

Crass has some weirdness to their background...Penny's earlier band was a noise/absurdist/hippie band called Exit. I hear some kraut rock and more experimental stuff in crass while they are still firmly rooted in punk. I think the bass player was a guy plucked from jazz bands haha. The whole thing was calculated though...I think Penny knew what he was doing with a kind of amateur regiment military absurd punk thing (their original name was stormtrooper). Lots of tape work too. Crass is probably best thought of in the light of their total work (art, pamphlets, music, public image, bullshit, etc)...

Kinda like the KLF. The songs are cool, but the entirety of the work takes it to another level. (Or why some people like Zeppelin...)



Foam stuff...I'll be back to type it. Meanwhile...Mr. Angle...do you have a copy/link to the original Prince Vikings Fight Song? .I couldn't find it last time I looked.

this one??

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0XGMCeU-I[/youtube]

When do you expect Angels in the Outfield to be added to the National Film Registry?

This one:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTXcSnuwjGg[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTXcSnuwjGg
Cept not tweaked

Not this one: https://vimeo.com/94217607

Or this one:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqAi_1DHWv0[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqAi_1DHWv0

i'm definitely liking this better than "Feeding of the 5000."

dubkitty wrote:i'm definitely liking this better than "Feeding of the 5000."

the crass stuff Paul mentions below are more sing along punk. Mother Earth and Big Hands are good tracks from stations. Bloody Revolutions (and Big A Little A too) are some of the best singles.

Paul_C wrote:I have Stations of the Crass and Bloody Revolutions on vinyl, that's as far as I got with Crass.

I was moving on from some bands I'd liked up until that time (1980) - I didn't buy Sandinista, Autoamerican or Telekon
I was discovering new bands - U2/Boy, Pretenders, Echo and the Bunnymen/Crocodiles, Killing Joke, The Vapors/New Clear Days, Dexys Midnight Runners/Searching For The New Soul Rebels, Toyah/Sheep Farming In Barnet
and continuing to buy work by others - Elvis Costello, The Jam, Kate Bush, Stiff Little Fingers, Split Enz etc.

I think that I was too much of a middle-class softie (my Dad was a headmaster) to properly understand bands like Crass, but I did like the bits I bought.

Sandinsta....man that was a disappointment . Just like Give em enough Rope.

Echo and the Bunnymen we're signed to a label by Bill Drummond. Vapors...jam! Love all that stuff! Cept U2.

Speaking of U2...check out Political Asylum from Scotland
[youtube][/youtube]


There is a connection there...can't find the songs at the moment but will. Which lead to these events:

My wife made me wait in line for Smashing Pumpkins. (I really don't like that band and find his voice grating...don't get it at all, but she's my wife and saw Cattle Decapitation with me twice and stuff). I'm like 2 hours early after riding our new cool LA metro train . Dude in front me is like this crazy burnout addict ex-gang dude that loves Smashing Pumpkins. He was also into early LA punk.

He keeps trying to give me a hit of something (not entirely sure what it was...but there was some faint plastic smell...probably meth. "You like DRI?....they're the shit! DI! YOU LIKE DI? Dude, what about Agent Orange?"

I was doing the nod and acknowledge thing and then said, "I was always more into the UK and Japanese stuff. Like Subhumans."

He stuns me by saying, "Dude, Subhumans were Nazis." Confused, I said back, "DI always had more ties than just about anyone...I didn't say resistance 77 or even the fucking exploited. I said Subhumans...like one of the most left/anarchist band I can think of. I think you're confused."

Long Pause.

"Maybe. You like Youth Brigade?"

"Nah, they played the same shit and came to Bakersfield like 6 times a year...like fucking DI. They both suck."

He's like, "Cool. I like Black Flag"

I'm getting frustrated talking to this tweaker dude. I look up and the Edge walked right past me! I kinda threw my arms up and jumped out of line and yelled really loud, "Edge! You owe Political Asylum songwriting credits!"

He didn't acknowledge me.

This lady came up and finally saved me from the tweaker and wanted to know what was up.
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Stood by Chris Hardwick at a Beck show. My wife watched an entire Ben Folds show standing next to Weird Al. I think she stood next to Elijah Wood for an Ozma show (she was friends with Ozma...and Maroon 5 when they were called Cara's Flowers...she was invited to Adam Levine's 21st bday but didn't go). I stood next to Geza X to see the Avengers and Weirdos.
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Best shirt I saw in UK had "I came on Eileen" on it. Basically went to the UK to see Killing Joke, crass remnants, Subhumans, and Part 1. Came back with a love of Guida.

When we landed in Manchester, the cross-eyed customs lady asked us our business and where our destination was in the UK. I told her Blackpool. She asked why and I told her it was for a music fest. "Oh, that's strange, haven't heard of it. The people in Blackpool are not indicative of the English people" was the send off I got.

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Foam story next.

JonnyAngle wrote:Lordgalvar: tell me your favorite FOAM anecdote.

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I had a Moog/ratshack concertmate mg-1. The foam over the switches looked terrible. I tore it all out in my bedroom. That foam had turned to freaking tar. My white carpet was permanently changed with a dash of pepper.
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I was doing pickup in this weird one-street long gated all custom house community on the butt end of a golf course in Bakersfield. The coworker that was doing the copper in the house was like, "Hey, you peeked into the place across the way?"

The house across the way was a 40% done mansion. It was built by some world travelling millionaire dentist from Bakersfield (he owned some chain of offices). He never stayed anywhere more than a month and built this house to reflect it.

Walking in, the first thing you would see was a giant fiberglass rock pond that kinda looked like tide pools. He had some shark heads made out of fiberglass too and they kinda glared out of little tunnels. He later actually put sharks in the pond (little ones, but still sharks). To the left was a complete steel spiral staircase styled after a cruise ship. The walls were ship lath and had brass port holes looking into another room. At the top of the stairs was a hallway leading to a Japanese style room with paper walls and a bed roll. I think the master bath was based on Japanese designs too. I think the theater was based off of Swedish designs. I can't remember the rest of the house though (most weren't done...just artist renderings on a work board in the master bedroom).

The front of the house was done to look like a "u" shaped government building and I think it had a 4 car garage. I dunno. Backyard was full of imported rocks, fiberglass, etc with palapas and a bar...kinda tried to make it look volcanic. Tiny backyard.

Being a dorky plumber, I walked through a criticised the competitions work...backgraded condensation lines...

Anyway, the whole house was on hold because of foam. Dentist dude had travel so much, he picked up some tricks. He liked the foam insulation he saw in Canada. California is always kinda hesitant to approve new building materials/anything (especially after their stupid gass mistakes like MTBE). No one did spray foam at the time...it wasn't available here. Dude insisted and went down to home Depot and bought probably thousands of cans of great stuff.

He insulated his entire house with great stuff. It has no r-rating really nor had it been approved for any sort of fire rating. The inspector walked in and freaked. They also don't like the inability to access electrical and plumbing here (probably because of earthquakes).

The dentist guy did it all himself because no contractor would touch it. So he had to pay someone to go through and tear out all that damn foam and re-insulate. Spent all this money on the house and now he's got shitty looking bays inside his walls with bits of foam everywhere. That crap has to wear off.


https://goo.gl/maps/imPaNiVgaMp I think that was the house? Been 12 or more years...

I've come to the conclusion CRASS is my favorite rap group.

All I wanna do is just listen to CAN lately...and only two FAUST albums (s/t and IV)...lordgalvar...what have I done wrong!!!