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Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:37 pm
by Gone Fission
Trump blew up standing DACA policy, saying he wanted congress to make a law because executive orders are apparently illegal when black presidents enact them. Dems and Republican immigration moderates took him at his word and tried to work something out. Trump yanked the rug at the last minute and threw in with hardliners, meaning there was no pressure for Ryan or McConnel to bend past their hardliners' comfort zone. So Senators disappointed by bad faith withheld support.

It's a simplification, but Trump's fuckwittery makes me feel quite justified in assigning him a good chunk of the blame for the shitdown.

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:51 pm
by Lurker13
Gone Fission wrote:Trump blew up standing DACA policy, saying he wanted congress to make a law because executive orders are apparently illegal when black presidents enact them. Dems and Republican immigration moderates took him at his word and tried to work something out. Trump yanked the rug at the last minute and threw in with hardliners, meaning there was no pressure for Ryan or McConnel to bend past their hardliners' comfort zone. So Senators disappointed by bad faith withheld support.

It's a simplification, but Trump's fuckwittery makes me feel quite justified in assigning him a good chunk of the blame for the shitdown.
It's hilarious, the Republicans control the presidency and both chambers of Congress, and they can't even keep the government open. Now they're running around claiming it's all the fault of the evil, evil Democrats. Trump wants to be the leader, but he doesn't want to actually do the hard work of leading. But IMO, the so-called Freedom Caucus (which should really be called the Right-Wing Fanatics Caucus) is the real culprit, Trump's bumbling incompetence is just fuel on the fire.

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:01 pm
by Chankgeez
Lurker13 wrote: Trump wants to be the leader, but he doesn't want to actually do the hard work of leading.
Even if he did want to, he just doesn't know how.

Say what you will about career politicians, at least they know the mechanics of politics.

Given the way Trump ran his campaign & the way he's acted since (like he's still running a campaign), it's no surprise he can't govern effectively.

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:09 am
by Lurker13
Chankgeez wrote:
Lurker13 wrote: Trump wants to be the leader, but he doesn't want to actually do the hard work of leading.
Even if he did want to, he just doesn't know how.
But he thinks he knows, so he is too arrogant to take advice from anyone who could help him. And that's a big problem.

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:35 am
by comesect2.0
WHAT'S HAPPENING!!!

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:11 am
by Chankgeez

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:35 am
by Lurker13
comesect2.0 wrote:WHAT'S HAPPENING!!!
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Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:30 pm
by Chankgeez
Know who's responsible for the shutdown?

Both sides.

That's who.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tanyachen/the- ... .fqN2bA93X

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:36 pm
by Achtane
This is a four-year facepalm.

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:21 pm
by Chankgeez
Could someone explain to me why “The Dems just want illegal immigrants to pour into our nation unchecked.”?

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:26 pm
by Mudfuzz
Chankgeez wrote:Could someone explain to me why “The Dems just want illegal immigrants to pour into our nation unchecked.”?
It makes them feel like they are helping people AND providing a slave/untouchableclass/cheap labor pool that undermines the entire blue collar workforce to keep costs and wages down in comparison to cost of living and yet gives them more things to "fight against" and seem like they give a shit? :idk:

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:30 pm
by Chankgeez
:idk:

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:02 pm
by Mudfuzz
Chankgeez wrote::idk:
yeah :idk: remember when when you were young and thought this shit would make sene one day? then you grew up only to find out it's just that everyone is crazy...

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:04 pm
by Chankgeez
All I wanted was a Pepsi. :snax:

Re: Due to gov't. shutdown, this thread's been shut down...

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:24 pm
by comesect2.0
Can't we like just love one another and create a government called I...