Lastgasp Art Laboratories

[lordgalvar]

Don't know if this helps

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEk2cGJ5574[/youtube]

My take:
The EQ on the Deviltail is more open feeling than the Death Metal. The lows on the Death Metal were more compressed but mixed well...overall it felt very loose. The Deviltail feels more open and lets more of your playing (and mistakes) through... Highs on the DOD felt more piercing and artifical, but not bad, just nitpicking. The mids were honestly very close between both and that is where they sounded the most alike. The deviltail doesn't get quite the extreme low that the DOD does (close though), but everything is more clear on the deviltail which made it feel more natural to my guitar.

The added Gain control adds some level of control that the DOD can't match and will probably make it fit better in pedal boards...also probably would help even out things like clarity and add more to dynamic playing.

I guess, overall, the deviltail is more dynamic, open, natural, and plays better with more styles whereas the death metal is more compressed, locked-in, ready-to-go, metal pedal, if that makes any sense. The deviltail is easy to kick into feedback, which is nice (or self osc, I guess). Both are great pedals...would probably find more fits with the deviltail in a larger scope, but the DOD is easy and covers up bad playing (it is just a less dynamic pedal with a focused sound).

[repoman]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwOS_LcJOM4[/youtube]

heres a misty cave demo

[lordgalvar]

Nice man! Was messing around with my misty cave today too! Added you to the youtube list too.

[psychic vampire.]

LG: Thanks for the comparison. I definitely hear the difference you're talking about, it's pretty big in certain ways. I used to have a DOD Death Metal, and thought it was funny - it could get me Dropdead's bass tone immediately, through any rig - But never felt like it was usable as a serious metal distortion for guitar at least, and it compressed the shit out of my bass in a way i wasn't too big a fan of. The Deviltail seems a lot less compressed and to sound a bit better. I think i might still feel terrified to get a pedal that expensive that is an admitted clone of a $25 DOD pedal, even though i heard it sounding better than the DOD. I have been looking for an interesting alternative to the HM-2 that works for guitar and bass, though, and will keep an open mind on this. And your demo was just lovely and helpful.

Repoman. Every new MC demo i hear reaffirms my love, but i absolutely love what it starts to do with other spacial effects; was that a Gjengangar and a Supermoon Chrome? They interacted with the MC in pretty interesting ways, especially whatever delay that was. Thanks for the demo. Also, white&black Driving Notion is gorgeous.

[lordgalvar]

Yea, I hear you on that. I think the DOD is fun but prefer the Deviltail...if I wasn't such an LAL fanatic, would I have it...I don't know? I'm glad to have it though. The bass compression is a big part of the DOD sound in my opinion...I think it is a fun pedal...Glad it helped man (and I made enough sense and shoed enough differences)!

I like the 46 a lot for low end...it sounds great on bass in my opinion (even though it is a superfuzz....there is some magic in there).

I made this yesterday (was uploading/exporting as repoman posted his haha! Coincidences!)...Clipped the hell out of everything though.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMSnPei4DRU[/youtube]

Dropdead I missed them when they came from LA...it was around the time that I realized I was 15 years older than everyone that goes to shows haha. Love Dropdead (and Siege...).

[bob the r0bot]

It's worth noting that the Devil Tail was able to kick my HM-2 off my board for about 6-ish months. The only pedal to ever do so.

[lordgalvar]

I haven't played an HM-2 (maybe I should finally bite the bullet and see what it is all about)...but yea, I like the deviltail a lot...just don't use it much (probably because of a fear of long signal chains/too many effects and just being scatter brained in general and never settling on one chain). Good to know, bob, that it stacked up well to the mojo of the HM-2. Pretty awesome!

If you are stacking and looking for a high gain distortion, Devil Tail is probably a great choice...adding a slight fuzz before might give the buzz you need with out getting too compressed.

And about clones: everything is always a clone and/or bend of some kind of data sheet circuit anyway. People buy pt2399 delays all the time...and most of it is mods on the basic circuit that synthrotek sells for 20 something...I dunno. Pay for the form, aesthetic, taste, workflow, and quality of a builder I guess. I think the additions are enough for the deviltail to be worth it (esp at a good price used)

[psychic vampire.]

Oh, yeah, i understand that about clones. For whatever reason, since i started fiddling around with circuit bending/building/design, i've felt differently about dirt clones than i do about delay/modulation/whatever clones; I know it's a silly non-distinction that i need to get rid of though. I have this same problem with the Super Fuzz 46. I like the demos, i love the aesthetic, i'm just foolishly prideful about building my own dirt, even though i have yet to make one i actually like as much as the 46... I should just jump on a Super Fuzz or Fuzz Master clone that sounds good, because i totally love the circuit(s) on bass. I will keep the Deviltail in mind. I have high hopes of building a really "out-there" HM-2 clone, It's good to know that Hiro has totally had the same thoughts with weird metal distortion.

I was actually already watching your new Misty Cave video on youtube before i saw that post, it came up on the related sidebar. Internet is crap here, so i'm still listening, but it's amazing what the Misty Cave's resonance can do, it peaks so hard. I think i just love the Misty Cave coupled with non-oscillating delay, the movement of the resonance layering over different points of itself sounds so nice.

I think i sold my Dropdead record, i sort of forget. Definitely sold my Siege LP. I've seen Dropdead live a handful of times and they're always fun. Love those bands a great deal, and they were super influential to me; i have fond memories of going to my old record store in high school before it closed and asking the guy there what to get. He would recommend shit like Dropdead and Siege and that Flux of Pink Indians album Uncarved Block, and i would take it home and just be blown away. I'm not nearly the age of some of the posters on here, but i'm up there enough where it feels weird that all my band members are 23 and 24.

[repoman]

Yeah it didn't come through in my vid, but when the misty cave does resonate it can be sooooo boomy and huge. I need to get a CV pedal for it...Are there any pedals out there where CV can be set like a tremolo or programed to have an order?

Does anyone know if its based on the Ersatz Verben faux-reverb circuit?

Ill try and make one of the Toxic Plant today, that thing is even weirder.

[psychic vampire.]

LG clued me in on the Copilot Broadcast (i think it's called) which is an LFO of sorts that can plug into expression jacks. There's also the EHX 8 step program. I have no clue if Hiro made his CV jacks able to work with eurorack LFOs/EGs/Sequencers, i would suppose there is some way to make that work, possibly. Somewhere back in this thread someone posted the info of what EXP resistance to use with different LAL pedals, since some want 50k and some want 10k, i believe.

[lordgalvar]

8-Step program wont work with the Misty Cave (will just give you quick chirps). The broadcast as stock kinda works but not very well (that was what I was messing with yesterday...but I didn't like the results and I didn't record it...though it works great with the 88...but Adam @ copilot could probably figure that one out (could have been a range issue as well)).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFTyN6So17U[/youtube]

is what I did by alligator clipping an LDR/photo eye to the jack on a TRS cable....then any flashing light becomes an LFO....Any easy way would be to build a flashing LED with a 555 timer and then just couple and seal that with the LDR connected to a jack...I'm sure Adam could hook up a more fleshed out broadcast or brainzilla like that too (with pedal control for speed).

Yea, LAL "CV" jacks are just passive EXP jacks...I wouldn't throw any voltage in them.

[psychic vampire.]

Thanks for the correction/information. Shame that the 8SP and Broadcast don't work too well with the Misty Cave. It would be fun to cook up something interesting that interacts well with it. I liked your LED/LDR combo in that video. It would be nice to make something along that design idea that could interact with other equipment or have novel means of control. It was always strange to me that he had 1/4" CV jacks on his pedals. Not sure if it makes more or less sense that they're EXP jacks that won't take CV at all.

[lordgalvar]

Does anyone know if its based on the Ersatz Verben faux-reverb circuit?

I doubt it. CultureJam is a member here.

It is probably based off of some Flanger circuit or something and probably uses something like MN3207 but I haven't looked honestly.

[Chankgeez]

I might've asked this before : Does the Misty Cave not like a buffer directly before it?

[lordgalvar]

Maybe? I find it acts weird with certain frequencies and it plays better with certain distortions/fuzzes and cleans that it does with others...I think it has something to do with the harmonics emphasized by certain pedals? I also feel like the effect can get drowned out/overwhelmed in certain situations. (like not as good with the pep box as it is clean...). I'll check it out and see what I can see...

I've had moments where it doesn't really do much at all...but, I would suspect, that a buffer can slightly change the signal enough to not let things happen the same? I dunno, maybe somebody else will have a different opinion or more information?