Where do we stand on Billy Corgan? //hivemind

[UglyCasanova]

Great musician, great boob.

[SPACERITUAL]

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[Iommic Pope]

Dude, you lost me in the first thirty seconds with the shit about autism.
None of that is a fact.
There are links between autism and gut flora, but the whole thing is still very early days and in no way supports any kind of anti vaccination argument. Basically it is known that there is a difference between populations where species of flora are concerned but it is not known whether or not this is a cause or effect of spectrum disorders.
Vaccines and gut flora have fucking nothing to do with each other.
This is a kooky show for kooks.
I don't even care what Corgan has to say.
If you're opening statements are harmful shots in the dark trying to thread a genuine scientific discovery tenuously to your gubment control 4:20 conspiracy thesis, then you're a shit dealer and you need to stop misinforming people.

[oscillateur]

Isn't he basically irrelevant these days anyway ?

[casecandy]

Here's where I stand on Billy Corgan. I put him in the same category as, like, Varg Vikernes. (Forgive me, I'm on a big Burzum kick.) He would be loathsome if he weren't also essentially a clown. There used to be something artistically vital about either of those musicians that transcended the negative things about them, but now that they're old... Varg Vikernes isn't some magical oskerai burning down churches on Odin's wild hunt, not anymore, he's just some old guy who cosplays in the woods and holds rather run-of-the-mill prejudices that are less mystical or even offensive than they are disappointingly boring. Your racist uncle at Thanksgiving. But... he's Burzum. So that's always gonna be something. He's always going to be someone that means something to me even if I think he's an asshole in a lot of ways.

Ditto "William" Corgan. He too is an old dork whose head is increasingly widening with each passing year. He's transphobic. He actually takes his transphobia much further than your Republican uncle does. In his journals, he's written of wanting to murder a trans woman who propositioned him. And I think we all know about his spat with Devi, in which he was absolutely out of line and absolutely the aggressor. Literally, she made him a pedal, and he ripped into an anti-LGBT rant on Twitter including, I recall, vague threats of bodily harm. There's nothing forgivable about this shit, nothing cute about it. In addition, he is, as UglyCasanova pointed out, a complete boob. He totally thinks that he's the only artistically important person making music in his scene at any given time. That wasn't even true at the height of his career. Now it's definitely not true, but he still believes it. A total fucking asshole. But... he was the creative genius behind Smashing Pumpkins and objectively one of the greatest alternative rock guitarists ever. So to a point you can ignore all of it.

For me his worst offense was when he said, "Whatever, it's not as though anyone wakes up with a Pavement song stuck in their head." Because Stephen Malkmus is better than Billy Corgan. I wake up with "Gold Soundz" stuck in my head as often as I do any song. However... I acknowledge that SM shot first.

[casecandy]

Also... I dislike political correctness as much as the next whiskey rock-a-rolla, but it's a red flag when people feel the need to go on rants about SJWs instead of just fucking being an adult and living their lives the way they want to. Like... you're a wealthy rock musician. A bunch of Tumblr teens should not be on your radar.

[Andrew]

Billy Corgan's head looks like a moon.

[snipelfritz]

If he was a boob, I'd like him.

But what casecandy says echoes my thoughts on political correctness. If SJWs are a bigger part of your life compared to actually bigoted people, you live a blessed life and should stop being the little bitch you accuse others of being.

[antennafarm]

fine musician

big dummy

mostly looking for attention. i suspect he isn't used to people not paying attention to his nonsense so now he's being more proactive.

[popvulture]

He sucks. He's pretty much Axl in nerd form.

I mean really, it's like the same ass shit. Same obvious talent with a healthy amount of ego that is kept in check, resulting in great output. Then fame turns off the governor and grandeur runs free, resulting in one guy dressing in a kilt and a catcher's pads, the other like Pinhead. Material goes way downhill.

Siamese Dream and Gish are awesome, and IMO that's pretty much it. Beyond that, he continues to be more and more of an embarrassment as time goes on.

[kaeth]

It's like driving past a car wreck. You gotta look. I'm skeptical that the media version of Billy that we see is genuine. He's so ridiculous that he gives me the same vibe that I get from a locker-room interview with Macho Man Randy Savage. I think he may have concocted a persona with the intention of stirring up media attention since Smashing Pumpkins is no longer relevant.

[rfurtkamp]

Never liked him when the Pumpkins were an up and coming club band in Chicago.

Never liked him once he hit it big.

Never liked his music.

Now I'm at least amused by the trainwreck.

[Iommic Pope]

Yeah I honestly didn't even get to the bit where he started talking.
The intro caused me to go into anaphylactic shock (I'm allergic to stupid), so I didn't have high hopes for anything but he had to say.

[lost in music]

Just got hipped to this interview recently. Billy is a creep and always has been.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qIhtKkrnuM[/youtube]

I really liked Siamese Dream and Drown, but I jumped ship the instant that I read about his title for the follow up "The Wall for Generation X". The actual title was worse and one of my least favorite things about the 90s. That's when the 90s jumped the shark.

[Faldoe]

Also... I dislike political correctness as much as the next whiskey rock-a-rolla, but it's a red flag when people feel the need to go on rants about SJWs instead of just fucking being an adult and living their lives the way they want to. Like... you're a wealthy rock musician. A bunch of Tumblr teens should not be on your radar.

Red flag of what? The problem is those teens are part of the next generations. If their ideological stances are grounded in/mired in a over-simplistic view of history and the current problems facing society - coupled with overdoses in self-righteousness - I don't see how they are contributing to a betterment of the future. One supposedly free of hate and bigotry when they themselves are also engaging in it.

If he was a boob, I'd like him.

But what casecandy says echoes my thoughts on political correctness. If SJWs are a bigger part of your life compared to actually bigoted people, you live a blessed life and should stop being the little bitch you accuse others of being.

The problem is SJW act and view themselves as if they are the just antithesis to real forms of bigotry, when in fact they simply right fire with fire and engage in oversimplifications and fallacious reasoning, just like bigots do. If you've been watching any footage from these Trump rallies. The anti-Trump protestors are pretty brutal. Yes - there has been violence by Trump supporters, at Trump rallies, against protestors there, but two rights don't make a right.

Regarding the bolded part - There is actual bigotry and perceived bigotry: A cop or person legitimately acts in a racist manner towards a person of another race or ethnicity, and then there are instances in which someone perceives that to be the case - that the situation was grounded in that kind of animus. "If the only tool you have is a hammer, and all problems look like nails." A lot of the SJW crowd look for the situations and or criteria of their world view in all situations.

This guy made some good points.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH3_J9NVZ7w[/youtube]