The spite, hate, rage, apathy and mild irritation thread...

[Iommic Pope]

This guy, this guy here^.

[spacelordmother]

Agreed, for better of for worse. I disqualify applicants all the time based on the fact that they went to degree mills (not implying that about you, though, Connie). Did it about a dozen times earlier today. But I don't tell them that. And it isn't because of rivalries or 'taste.' I just think for-profit schools are terrible.

And that is the applicants fault?

Not sure what you mean. Their fault that I think their school sucks? No. Their fault that they enrolled in a program for a terminal degree where the school's reputation is in the toilet? Yes.

I'm hiring professors and deans right now. Whether we like it or not, academe trades in 'prestige.' If you got an Ed.D from Argosy, Phoenix, Capella, Walden, or a host of for-profit schools, yeah, that's kinda on you.

This doesn't apply when looking at fresh grads of four-year degrees applying to first jobs--it's a different animal. Hope that helps clarify my thinking.

Yes, I would agree that at that level it's a whole different game.

I went to a for-profit school for undergrad solely for the reason that it was the only one that fit my "also having to work full time" schedule. I consider myself very lucky to have had good professors and a good overall academic experience and education despite a bunch of administrative bullshit. Also happy to have it "on me" as I outperform most of the ivy league grads I work with.

[Invisible Man]

Yeah, I probably didn't clarify things well earlier, but I didn't want to write an essay on academic hiring (because there are lots of those, and because no one cares).

Like I said: I have little-to-no prejudice against those schools unless they're training people who are going to determine the direction of the college I work for. As in: we have a lot of folks who suckled at the teat of the for-profit model, and their philosophies are, as far as I can see, borderline evil. Enrollment, butts in seats, &c. Of course, all colleges participate in this practice to some degree, but many stop trying as soon as they get folks locked into a financial aid package.

And then there are those faculty and administrators who make the decision to do that...those are the folks who are watching their enrollments shrink, because, as the president of the college I work for now told me of his own exodus from a for-profit school, 'word got out.' And now they want to bring their practices to me...nope.

Trying hard to keep this short, but, to boil it down: education should be emancipatory (in my view). Whether that's economically or philosophically if up to the student and the faculty they work with. I don't see any hints of that from a lot of colleges and universities. It's just business as usual. (I am called a naive idealist because of this belief pretty much every week...to which I reply 'Then why do *you* work here? What animates your work in the philosophical sense? The pay isn't that great, and the hours suck, so, if you don't believe that there's something worthwhile happening here--as in you're not also an idealist--then get the fuck out.')

Basically, I got into this because I thought it would be the field I'm best suited for that doesn't constantly require me to justify my actions and decisions based on whether or not they make someone else money. Which is true of a lot of my experience, but the proportion is definitely shrinking.

[Invisible Man]

Yeah, I probably didn't clarify things well earlier, but I didn't want to write an essay on academic hiring (because there are lots of those, and because no one cares).

Like I said: I have little-to-no prejudice against those schools unless they're training people who are going to determine the direction of the college I work for. As in: we have a lot of folks who suckled at the teat of the for-profit model, and their philosophies are, as far as I can see, borderline evil. Enrollment, butts in seats, &c. Of course, all colleges participate in this practice to some degree, but many stop trying as soon as they get folks locked into a financial aid package.

And then there are those faculty and administrators who make the decision to do that...those are the folks who are watching their enrollments shrink, because, as the president of the college I work for now told me of his own exodus from a for-profit school, 'word got out.' And now they want to bring their practices to me...nope.

Trying hard to keep this short, but, to boil it down: education should be emancipatory (in my view). Whether that's economically or philosophically is up to the student and the faculty they work with. I don't see any hints of that from a lot of colleges and universities. It's just business as usual. (I am called a naive idealist because of this belief pretty much every week...to which I reply 'Then why do *you* work here? What animates your work in the philosophical sense? The pay isn't that great, and the hours suck, so, if you don't believe that there's something worthwhile happening here--as in you're not also an idealist--then get the fuck out.')

Basically, I got into this because I thought it would be the field I'm best suited for that doesn't constantly require me to justify my actions and decisions based on whether or not they make someone else money. Which is true of a lot of my experience, but the proportion of work where that is true is definitely shrinking.

[Strange Tales]

I haven't felt awake for a month, my weight is getting out of control again, and I'm starting to forget not only small things, but just entire days. I have no idea what I did at work on Monday which has fucked me over a few times so far.

I feel like I'm taking extreme mental exhaustion to a whole new level.

[D.o.S.]

Have you considered napping?

[Strange Tales]

The only time I would be able to nap is at like 5PM which is far too late for a nap. I have to wake up at 5 or 6AM anyway.

[D.o.S.]

Dude the early evening nap is not to be underestimated.

[Strange Tales]

Not underestimated, more that I'll be up until stupid late if I do it which is what stops me. I end up taking a nap on Fridays though which feels so nice. Wish I could do it every day.

[spacelordmother]

Yeah, I probably didn't clarify things well earlier, but I didn't want to write an essay on academic hiring (because there are lots of those, and because no one cares).

Like I said: I have little-to-no prejudice against those schools unless they're training people who are going to determine the direction of the college I work for. As in: we have a lot of folks who suckled at the teat of the for-profit model, and their philosophies are, as far as I can see, borderline evil. Enrollment, butts in seats, &c. Of course, all colleges participate in this practice to some degree, but many stop trying as soon as they get folks locked into a financial aid package.

This is totally my experience. There were tons of students around me who failed because 1.they got no support after being swindled/signed up, and 2.they didn't make it work for them. I squeezed the shit out of those resources and as such have been (as I consider it) successful, but there's no coasting possible in these places and the people in charge either inherently don't care, or aren't given any reason to.

And then there are those faculty and administrators who make the decision to do that...those are the folks who are watching their enrollments shrink, because, as the president of the college I work for now told me of his own exodus from a for-profit school, 'word got out.' And now they want to bring their practices to me...nope.

Trying hard to keep this short, but, to boil it down: education should be emancipatory (in my view). Whether that's economically or philosophically if up to the student and the faculty they work with. I don't see any hints of that from a lot of colleges and universities. It's just business as usual. (I am called a naive idealist because of this belief pretty much every week...to which I reply 'Then why do *you* work here? What animates your work in the philosophical sense? The pay isn't that great, and the hours suck, so, if you don't believe that there's something worthwhile happening here--as in you're not also an idealist--then get the fuck out.')

Basically, I got into this because I thought it would be the field I'm best suited for that doesn't constantly require me to justify my actions and decisions based on whether or not they make someone else money. Which is true of a lot of my experience, but the proportion is definitely shrinking.

[friendship]

My new hobby is sleep. I'm going to sell all my gear and get a really nice bed, read up on all the woke sleep cycle research, just get real into sleeping as much as possible whenever possible. This is my lifestyle now.

[Disarm D'arcy]

Sleeping is the shit. #2 favorite activity in life after showering.

[Invisible Man]

Just woke up from a nap. Mm.

I tell myself every minute napping is one I get back at the end of my life. I am investing.

[Inconuucl]

Sleeping is the shit. #2 favorite activity in life after showering.

I love showering so much. It's almost unhealthy (and not cheap. )

The best thing to is to make the water as hot as you can right before youre about to stop and then slowly lowering it to a cold setting before stopping. It's orgasmic.

[Iommic Pope]

Showering is the tits.
It may actually be better.
I wish my bed was as hot as hot the shower in winter so I could just pass out in a hot cocoon.