The Last Jedi

[codetocontra]

If you expect zero spoilers you shouldn't click on the thread. Plenty before now has been revealed and discussed.

[jrfox92]

No, no, it's just that nobody revealed that that happened, as far as I'm aware.

[reckon luck]

Another thought: with Snoke gone, the bad guys don't really have a proper evil dude leading them. Kylo and Hux have been portrayed as immature/goofy far too many times, even after Kylo was supposed to have taken charge. Vader/Palpatine/Snoke were never the butt of a joke AFAIK.

Did the EU have any instances of hyperspace kamikaze?

[Invisible Man]

If you click on the thread, I figure you’re liable for what you see. Everyone over the age of 8 knows this, jrfox.

[Invisible Man]

Another thought: with Snoke gone, the bad guys don't really have a proper evil dude leading them. Kylo and Hux have been portrayed as immature/goofy far too many times, even after Kylo was supposed to have taken charge. Vader/Palpatine/Snoke were never the butt of a joke AFAIK.

Did the EU have any instances of hyperspace kamikaze?

Don’t think so. I don’t remember any, and I read everything except ep the last third of he New Jedi Order. I think I stopped reading Star Wars novels right about the time I discovered vaginas, and never the twain shall meet.

They use Interdictor cruisers, which use gravity well generators to pull ships out of lightspeed. It would effectively stop the hyperspace kamikaze runs before they started.

Why do I know this? Why do I know that the prime export of Bespin (planet home to Cloud City) is tibanna gas? Or that Kuat Drive Yards manufactures Star Destroyers? Or that Han’s blaster is a DL-44?

I know these things because I was young and free from the tyranny of the vagina.

[jrfox92]

Fuck sake, I wasn't pissed or anything about the spoilers, that spoiler just caught me off guard since no one had mentioned it before.

[Invisible Man]

[reckon luck]

Another thought: with Snoke gone, the bad guys don't really have a proper evil dude leading them. Kylo and Hux have been portrayed as immature/goofy far too many times, even after Kylo was supposed to have taken charge. Vader/Palpatine/Snoke were never the butt of a joke AFAIK.

Did the EU have any instances of hyperspace kamikaze?

Don’t think so. I don’t remember any, and I read everything except ep the last third of he New Jedi Order. I think I stopped reading Star Wars novels right about the time I discovered vaginas, and never the twain shall meet.

They use Interdictor cruisers, which use gravity well generators to pull ships out of lightspeed. It would effectively stop the hyperspace kamikaze runs before they started.

Why do I know this? Why do I know that the prime export of Bespin (planet home to Cloud City) is tibanna gas? Or that Kuat Drive Yards manufactures Star Destroyers? Or that Han’s blaster is a DL-44?

I know her things because I was young and free from the tyranny of the vagina.

So they have a ready-made solution to this problem. That's good, I guess?


My experience with the EU is basically Shadows of the Empire N64. Wampa..Stompa, play as tie fighter on the final space mission. Good times.

[Invisible Man]

I re-read my post, and there was a dangling participle there. The Empire uses the Interdictor Cruisers; vaginas do not.

Enterdicktor Cruiser.

Alternately: Interdictor? I hardly know’er.

GOOD NIGHT

Shadows of the Empire was one of the weaker novels. Never played the game. Thrawn trilogy was fucking awesome, as were the Rogue Squadron books.

[jrfox92]

as were the Rogue Squadron books.

This is the real reason Rogue One sucked, by the way.

[Blackened Soul]

Mary Poppins moment was ok in theory, but the way it was shot was really awkward

[codetocontra]

Yeah, good point. I get the whole "let the past die" paving the way for new stories thing, but it felt rushed. Except for Carrie Fisher, who can't physically be in the next movie...so how are they gonna tie that one up?

I really thought she would die in this movie, and having the bridge blow up was disappointing as it was predictable. Funny how they turned that around. I wondered if she should have been the kamikaze pilot since she was already injured. But it would be hard to cut her out of the movie completely because her being at the old rebel base was an important part to draw Luke back.

Pretty sure this picked up almost immediately after TFA.

Yes, within a day or so. The Rebellion's base was known, the First Order approaching after reeling from losing the Starkiller base.

I'm surprised that on ILF nobody has mentioned sound design though. I want my fuzz to sound like Kylo Ren's lightsaber.

It really is the best sound.

[codetocontra]

Also what's with this trend of having random people cameo as stormtroopers? That was so jarring in the first one, and this one has about three or four more. I hope this doesn't become a trend.

Did you really notice it? Some stormtroopers have talking roles. It doesn't bother me as long as they keep their helmets on. I wouldn't know about any of the characters under the helmets without reading about it.

but the fucking prank call in the opening scene was really annoying.

I thought it was great and unexpected. Threw a mom jab in there too. But really, this was a ballsy move and helps establish Poe as a trigger happy flyboy as well as a daring bad ass.

Saw it today and like you said, the more I think about it/discuss it the more infuriated I get. Probably the tamest, most unadventurous film I have ever seen that fails to build an iota of tension in its overlong runtime. Still better than TFA.

The Rebellion was on the run and seemingly doomed at every move, losing numbers, barely getting away. I felt tension. The casino run sort of broke that tension a bit. As did the Luke/Rey stuff.

[codetocontra]

It didn’t feel safe because of the payoff I expected. We’ve spent 40 years thinking Luke Skywalker is a god-like Force messiah. This movie relegated him to the role of diminished character, not the ‘legend’ he sarcastically refers to himself as. And you could have easily had it both ways.

Didn't we get Luke both ways. He did become a legend, as evidence by having his return to the Rebellion was supposed to be a huge signal of hope across the galaxy. People would know him as the one who stopped Darth Vader and the Emporer, though I don't know how the legend exactly would have been told with regard to actual events in the throne room aboard the 2nd Death Star. But then Luke also became the old hermit much like his mentors, but went further by distancing himself from the force. He knew the power and the consequences of the failure of that power. Not all legends are actually real, it is possible that he legend of Luke Skywalker became bigger than the man himself.

But I don’t see why there are direct addresses to the audience to tell Rey that she ‘has no place in this story,’ or have Luke throw his lightsaber over his shoulder, or give Yoda a brief ‘fuck you, superfans’ scene.

Luke tossing the lightsaber very overtly symbolizing how done he was as a Jedi. He turned the force off and didn't want to be the force messiah, as you aptly call it. After finding nothing but failure in all of the Jedi's efforts, including his own. I didn't view that as a "fuck you" but as an old man that is "done" with it all. He created his own Fuzztopia, population 1 (plus some funny caretakers).

Another thought: if you can destroy massive ships by blasting into them at light speed...why doesn’t every kamikaze pilot do that? Or put hyperdrives on a goddamn bantha? Bombs away!

Like you said, gravity well projectors. If nothing else, this would just break the fiction. I could see how a droid drone could be built with a hyperdrive, just need some mass and let the physics destroy spaceships or planets.

It is truly bizarre that Leia is blasted into space, dies, is revived, and Force-Supermans her way back to safety. And no one ever talks about it again.

I like to pretend we don't have to hear every non-important conversation taking place in the world. As far as we ever knew, Leia was only a little force-sensitive and not a force-user. She might not even know how to explain how she unexpectedly floated through space anyway, maybe only described what she felt in some vague metaphysical sense. That could have been a 10 second scene but wouldn't have added much for me. Maybe you will get this in the out takes?

Luke’s exit is so anti-climactic as to be criminal.

Disagree. Astral projection scene was bad ass (or what do we call it?). I would have been upset if he went out like Obiwan Kenobi. But he reconnected to the force and gave everything he had to accomplish it. Sacrificing himself to save the Rebellion. And no one knows he is gone other than Rey and Leia feeling it.

[codetocontra]

But I don’t see why there are direct addresses to the audience to tell Rey that she ‘has no place in this story,’ or have Luke throw his lightsaber over his shoulder, or give Yoda a brief ‘fuck you, superfans’ scene.

I'm pretty sure he said "they have no place in this story", referencing Rey's parents.

You’re probably right. Either way, it means she has no family ties to the story.

I don’t think it’s a red herring, though. It would undercut all of this undercutting. The movie tells us a dozen times that we need to let the past die.

More cynical read: Disney has to find a way out of the Skywalker saga if they want to pump out a movie every year. And this can still be the Skywalker saga, because Kylo Ren is Leia’s son. Rey doesn’t need to be related for it to continue the saga.

Kylo was telling Rey to let it go, and saying her parents were scum to help convince her to let it go. From his perspective they didn't matter. He may or may not even know the truth about her real parents. He is merely trying to persuade her to join him. He at least knows that she want to know about them, or have closure, and may be preying upon her fears that they were dead losers. Of all the fun fan-driven theories I found the Rey parentage speculation the worst anyway.