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Figured we needed a thread bout this here. Need a place were I can discuss, get recommendations and just talk about it, so giving it a shot. Surely I can't be the only the only one here?

I read quite a bit of marvel as a kid and really liked it but eventually just stopped doing it, probably cause it was consider "childish" or whatever. Anyways. I got (back) into comics/graphic novels (not sure I know the difference tbh) about a year ago and am loving it. It keeps me reading (once in a while I'll read a "regular" book too!) and really helps me relax.

What titles have you read or are reading? An all time faves?
So far I'm trying to stay away from superhero stuff and manga, for whatever reason, but eventually might give in to that.

And yeah, try to keep it spoiler free as much as possible! :animal: :!!!:
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Naturally, as a European I grew up with Asterix, Lucky Luke, Spirou and Fantasio, Gaston, The Smurfs, Tintin, Blake and Mortimer and all the other famous series from Belgium and France.

My favourite artists are:

André Franquin (1924-1997), who wrote and drew the best Spirou albums and the fabulous Gaston (engl.: Gomer Goof) series.

René Goscinny (1926-1977), who wrote all the good Asterix and the best Lucky Luke stories, as well as other funny scenarios for other series.

Lewis Trondheim (*1964), who is a contemporary genius with the awesome Lapinot (engl.: The Spiffy Adventures of McConey) albums and the humongous and ultra-funny Donjon (engl.: Dungeon) canon. He is a fantastic writer of brilliant scenarios that are clever and make you burst out in loud laughter, plus he has developed a really nice scribble drawing style that I love. For me, Trondheim is by far the best modern European comic artist.
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Big fan of Alison Bechdel. Start with Fun Home if you haven't read her.

Just finished re-reading Charles Burns' Last Look, which collects a trilogy of books. Weirdo inverse Tintin, body horror and male insecurity. (His Black Hole is a classic, too.)

Kate Beaton's Ducks stuck with me, an autobiographical account of the human (and environmental) costs of working in the oil sands.

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I reread Fun Home in the translated version just a couple of months ago after having read the original maybe five years ago. Both versions were great. I haven't read a buttload of graphic novels, but for me this is among the very best.

I read Maus for the first time recently along with the graphic novel adaptation of Anne Frank's diary. Both bleak but beautiful in their own way.

Also recently read Gender Queer by Kobabe. It was more mid for me personally, even if the topic itself is interesting.
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Alison Bechdel is great. I used to read a lot of Chris Ware.

I have an abiding fondness for Bill Griffith. I encountered the books of Zippy the Pinhead comics for the first time in a public library when I was about ten. The strip was in the local paper, but diving in and following the flow of non sequitur and absurdism in heady, intoxicating gulps was quite enjoyable.

Zippy seems like the perfect cipher, as well as decoder ring, for 1980s America. To understand soul-crushing conformity, follow a zany upstart outlier.

I read "Three Rocks" and it was great.
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I read "Nobody's Fool" and it was great.
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I read "Invisible Ink" and it was great.
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I'd like to read "The Buildings Are Barking" but I haven't purchased that one yet.
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Worth owning is Winsor McKay's "Little Nemo in Slumberland: 1904 - 1914".
The drawings are astoundingly great.
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I bet some ILF folks would be into Simon Hanselmann. Crisis Zone does the best job of capturing the vibes of early pandemic times that I've read. Content Warning: everything. Seriously fucked up.

When I started reading comics, I was pretty opposed to superhero stuff but a bunch of the writers I liked ended up moving into mainstream stuff so I followed along and I've really come to appreciate a lot of Marvel. I've been reading X-Men for the past 5 years and I'm just about caught up with what we're referring to as the Krakoa Era. Lots of good wild ideas.

Grant Morrison's Invisibles is probably my all time favorite but it's been a while since I re-read it.

I'm going to get started on Love and Rockets next.
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oldangelmidnight wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:06 am I bet some ILF folks would be into Simon Hanselmann. Crisis Zone does the best job of capturing the vibes of early pandemic times that I've read. Content Warning: everything. Seriously fucked up.
I was deep into Hanselmann during the early tumblr/zine era, but he kind of ran himself into the ground, at least in terms of subject matter. Also, it didn't help that he allegedly abused his ex (also an old tumblr pal) before he became a comix star, ripped off several of her ideas and employed them as his own, and so on and so forth (I can't find the earliest series he never finished without any of his stable of characters, but it lacked the kind of weirdness he's known for). I was always fond of his work ethic and skill level, but I suppose all of that was at the behest of pain and suffering onto others (the bill totally fits, sadly).

Love & Rockets is forever, however, but I wish Fantagraphics would keep the hardcover Hernandez Bros. anthologies in print. I never have understood their printing strategies on the whole (still books from ten years ago have skyrocketed and are woefully out of print, and maybe it's just the licensing of the material at this point), sometimes in poor quality, sometimes the absolute best. But there are plenty of gems in that catalog, even if they're only available digitally at this point (not my preferred method of comic viewing, but I'm not the target demo, mebbe).

Winsor McKay and Tintin are both absolute bangers, but it's also hard to forget all the racism inherent in both artists' works (at least Krazy Kat was an equal opportunity offender: we are all bums, on strike).

Charles Burns is the greatest visual artist of his lifetime, but his writing is absolutely terrible. Kills me everytime I think about Black Hole, which probably should have been a wordless exercise. It's a pity that a film version never was made (only because I love Sin City in all forms so much). Miller isn't perfect, either, but holy god, that movie truly is.

Big love for: Wally Gropius by Tim Hensley (an unhinged throwback comic that is wild and who's creator is sorely missed), Bezimena by Nina Bunjevac (softly surrealistic Italian pontillism stretched to maximum efficiency), Beta Testing The Apocalypse by Tom Kacyzski (future humor...today!), whatever Clowes is doing these days (still haven't gotten to Monica, but I should change that, shortly), and My Friend Dahmer (by Derf Backderf) was almost unbelievable but also one of the scariest things I've ever read (never saw the movie, but it's pretty perfect in it's own form, as is).

Recently picked up but hold no weight on: Is This Guy For Real? by Box Brown, who's Andre The Giant book was pretty great - this one's about Andy Kaufmann, with an emphasis on his wrestling fascination/infamy & an old comp of the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers.

Lastly, I have to admit that Ghost World, the book that brought most of us to this genre, still is an absolutely perfect germination of so many things that hit home with me, still, even if it's kind of a cliche at this point (cliches work because they are true). I always get a kick out of reading interviews with Clowes, because he's like from another world sometimes, but that world is the one that brought him to birth Ghost World unto all of us. It's basically my Ethan Frome, but I don't read it on every birthday (I probably should).

Most importantly (one last thing): one book that nobody talks about (at least in my circles) that is an absolute pivot to most comix is Pim & Francie: The Golden Bear Days, by one Al Columbia. Columbia is some kinda supergenius, Cheshire cat, evil deviant uncle, or maybe just the guy in the mirror, I dunno! He's everything to me sometimes. Anyway, this book always pops up in my life, and I always send it along to some unsuspecting person whom I believe will cherish it as much as I have, with varying results. But it doesn't matter! Technically, it's an unfinished work (of masterpiece!), but I've always seen it as perfect as is (Kafka's The Castle comes to mind, possibly all those greek statues with missing limbs and ears). He pulls from all the best of early era styles, subverting them into a melange of horror and dense dread, and, somehow, real hope. It's probably the one comic-style book I've read most often, and it's still an absolute nightmare everytime I read it. If you enjoy the animation style of Cuphead, but hate video games but are probably colorblind anyway and love to hallucinate frequently due to gangs of sleep paralysis demons constantly appearing from out of fucking nowhere after the sun finally sets, this is definitely the book for you.
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I subscribe to Marvel Unlimited, it kills some of my downtime at work and I get to catch up on stuff I remember from my childhood.

Keep in mind that your local public library probably has apps that will allow you to borrow a lot of great stuff. My library uses Libby and Hoopla and both are a treasure trove of non Marvel/DC stuff. Sometimes I'll start something there and if I find I really like it I'll buy the print version to keep.
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Oh nice!
Also finished Nice house on the lake, about a month ago. Really enjoyed it too! Have you read any other of Tynion's stuff? Did you hear he's doing a follow up, "Nice house by the sea"? I'm curious to try Something is killing the children, even though the concept seems lame, I've heard so much praise about it. It's not finished yet though, so I'm gonna try to wait as long as possible as I can't stand the thought of having to wait, haha. Gonna try and do the same with Monstress and Saga, even though I already got some of the hardcovers...

Other recent reads I really enjoyed were East of West by Hickman and Dragotta. Hard to put my finger on what was so good about it but just really really liked it. Horror-wise I'm gonna dive into Harrow County as soon as I can find the second hardcover at a reasonable price. Have reserved the first

TPB of Black Hammer and Hellboy from my local library too. I know that's sort of against my "no superheroes" rule, but also I feel it's sort of okay. We'll see how long I can hold off. Supposedly INVINCIBLE and Immortal Hulk are too good to pass up on.
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Some good recommendations there.
coupleonapkins wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:45 pm
Lastly, I have to admit that Ghost World, the book that brought most of us to this genre, still is an absolutely perfect germination of so many things that hit home with me, still, even if it's kind of a cliche at this point (cliches work because they are true). I always get a kick out of reading interviews with Clowes, because he's like from another world sometimes, but that world is the one that brought him to birth Ghost World unto all of us. It's basically my Ethan Frome, but I don't read it on every birthday (I probably should).
Did you read Monica? I wasn't entirely sure what to make of it but there was some great stuff. I'm just not entirely sure it came together.
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zeravla wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 10:50 am Keep in mind that your local public library probably has apps that will allow you to borrow a lot of great stuff. My library uses Libby and Hoopla and both are a treasure trove of non Marvel/DC stuff. Sometimes I'll start something there and if I find I really like it I'll buy the print version to keep.
I recently finished The Nice House on the Lake and really enjoyed it.
Hoopla and Libby are great. Hoopla has a lot of the stuff mentioned upthread. Libby is my audiobook app.
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oldangelmidnight wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:45 am Did you read Monica? I wasn't entirely sure what to make of it but there was some great stuff. I'm just not entirely sure it came together.
I have it somewhere (must've bean misplaced during a move, which was probably around when it originally was released!), but, come to think of it, I never finished Patience, either!?!? Gotta throw the hammer down and read 'em both b4 the year ends now :)*

Also clocked this thread to mention I forgot about My Favorite Thing Is Monsters, which I recently picked up both volumes (queue never ends, I'm afraid) after reading the first on a well-worn library copy. Lo & behold, vol. 2 just was released and it looks mahvelous ::mwah::

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I just got the 2nd printing of Ghost Fax #1 from ILF's very own...Aen. The artwork is really phenomenal and calls back to all the super hip comics of my youth like punisher, lobo, ghost rider. Ben's background designs really stand out to me...really incredible work. I think he might have a few more up at his bandcamp. It was like 10 or 15 bucks and to support Ben is always on my list.
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Late to the party as usual, but this time with added layers of irony. Hadn't read Neil Gaiman's 'Sandman' seriously in 20 years; gave my wife all the trade paperbacks for birthdays and xmasses 2015--22; re-read beginning to end last summer finishing just before the shit hit the fan. Pure coincidence. I'm glad to have re-experienced the book innocently, as it were, but no longer feel I can point others at it.

Some interesting lesser-known books came out of the UK just before and after the mammoth Watchmen/Sandman crossover. There are good (ie B/W not recoloured) Titan reprints of Alan Moore's wonderful, unfinished 'Halo Jones' and Morrison and Yeowell's 'Zenith', worth reading and not too hard to find.

BTW, have you noticed the odd way that the Hernandez Bros comics from the same time have fallen off the critical radar? I can remember when you couldn't go into a comix shop without encountering a pile of 'Love&Rockets'.
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