The Ugly Truth behind Cort/Cor-tek Guitars

[ohsojayadeva]

Why wouldn't we believe the Korean factories are treating their employees like shit? And busting up their unions. And firing them with very little warning, lying about financial hardships, and moving production to a cheaper country...

Most big companies in the US do all of that.

This is why:

[Gearmond]

i wanna know what fucked up logic leads you to believe that a conspiracy is the simplest and most likely situation in this.

[dubkitty]

"The Hankyoreh is a progressive newspaper, decisively committed to journalistic freedom, democracy, peaceful coexistence and national reconciliation between South and North Korea, which were divided by external forces after World War II. " which, in Korea, means they're pro-North Korea. take a look at the front page and tell me if this looks like an actual newspaper or a Korean propaganda site:

http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/

among the top stories:

"An elderly man looks at a photo at the Exhibition of Beautiful Photos of Social Welfare Volunteering"

"Valuing the community, saying no to large pets in apartments"

"Hankyoreh again selected ¡®most trusted newspaper¡¯
Experts from a diverse array of disciplines have named the Hankyoreh ¡®most trusted¡¯ for seven straight years"

"Carrying on the cause
In the above photo, (note: which you can see if you go to the page) Kim Byeong-gwan, a supporter of Mt. Jiri, holds a one-person demonstration on top of Baekundae peak, 836 m, in Seoul¡¯s Bukhan Mountain for 500 days, July 24. He holds a signboard to protest against the government¡¯s plan to build cable cars in six national parks including Bukhan, Jiri and Seorak mountains."

come on. seriously?

[ohsojayadeva]

Meh. Serves me right; I should have known better than to try to rationalize with such an obvious troll. I'll reiterate what tashiattack has already said:

I stand by my earlier position. You have already made your mind, and whether there is physical documentation available for the public or not, it won't change a damn thing for you.

and again appeal to the mods to lock this thread to prevent further dubtrolling.

[dubkitty]

actually, the "carrying on the Cause" piece sheds an interesting light...apparently there's a bit of a cultural meme in Korea of people carrying on long, quixotic protests:

In the middle photo, Kim Dong-ae, a former lecturer of Hansung University in Seoul, carries out a one-person demonstration asking for the restoration of her lecturer¡¯s status in front of the National Assembly for an hour.

Her demonstration has lasted more than 1400 days since Sep. 2007 when she was ousted from the university after working seven years and six months.

In the photo below, Lee Oh-reun, 33-year-old office worker, demonstrates in a subway station of Line 2 holding a signboard to call on citizens to participate in voting. He has continued the demonstration three days a week since 2009.

Regarding the reason, they said they hope to communicate with other citizens and the institutions concerned.¡¡

http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_entertainment/490547.html

[ohsojayadeva]

[dubkitty]

and again appeal to the mods to stop anyone from countering my lame and obvious propaganda.

FIFY. you have nothing but propaganda. come up with something other than propaganda or go away. don't you ever get embarassed by your intellectual dishonesty? and don't you realise that it only discredits the cause you supposedly support? do you think you've won anyone who was in doubt over to your side by your tactics here?

[ohsojayadeva]

[dubkitty]

What I'm saying is, do you want to be Dubkitty? Do you? Even Dubkitty doesn't want to be Dubkitty.

i'd certainly rather be me than be a mindless follower who accepts bullshit on the word of somebody else just because they've manipulated my emotions.

[dubkitty]

when not allowed to spam forums with their political opinions unchallenged, trolls often accuse others of trolling. sometimes they even post large .gifs.

[ohsojayadeva]

Let's recap: \

I and others like me have shown a number of links that support what we're saying.

So far you've been sitting in the corner hollering that we're all the ones that have the wrong idea, with jack nothing to support what *you're* saying. Every time one of us comes up with a new link, that fits exactly what you're asking for, you come up with some new reason why that link isn't supportive, and again can come up with nothing other than your own words for why we shouldn't believe in this cause.

You've already made your point clear. You don't believe in this cause. Fine. Move on. But you keep coming back, keep leaving these poorly veiled insults. Now you're calling me the troll... hilarious.

I've already contacted one mod about this. Going to write another now. I'm done here.

[MEC]

"The Hankyoreh is a progressive newspaper, decisively committed to journalistic freedom, democracy, peaceful coexistence and national reconciliation between South and North Korea, which were divided by external forces after World War II. " which, in Korea, means they're pro-North Korea. take a look at the front page and tell me if this looks like an actual newspaper or a Korean propaganda site:

http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/

among the top stories:

"An elderly man looks at a photo at the Exhibition of Beautiful Photos of Social Welfare Volunteering"

"Valuing the community, saying no to large pets in apartments"

"Hankyoreh again selected ¡®most trusted newspaper¡¯
Experts from a diverse array of disciplines have named the Hankyoreh ¡®most trusted¡¯ for seven straight years"

"Carrying on the cause
In the above photo, (note: which you can see if you go to the page) Kim Byeong-gwan, a supporter of Mt. Jiri, holds a one-person demonstration on top of Baekundae peak, 836 m, in Seoul¡¯s Bukhan Mountain for 500 days, July 24. He holds a signboard to protest against the government¡¯s plan to build cable cars in six national parks including Bukhan, Jiri and Seorak mountains."

come on. seriously?

I know you are a self proclaimed "student of history" but it's obvious you know nothing about the history of Korea.

"The Hankyoreh is a progressive newspaper, decisively committed to journalistic freedom, democracy, peaceful coexistence and national reconciliation between South and North Korea, which were divided by external forces after World War II. " which, in Korea, means they're pro-North Korea.

The fact that the Koreas were divided by external forces does not make believers of said fact "Pro North Korea".
The majority of South Koreans are for reunification. They are Pro Unification not "Pro North Korea".

Here are some study materials:
http://www.iic.edu/Main/AboutUs/publications/IICKoreaDivisionImpact.htm
http://www.eastwestcenter.org/research/research-information-services/oral-history-project/ilpyong-kim/
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/asia/korea/2010/08/16/268782/North-must.htm

[dubkitty]

some South Koreans who are pro-unification are, in fact, pro North Korean, as is the stance of the Hankyoreh newspaper. from Wikipedia, from an entry clearly written by Hankyoreh staff:

"The Hankyoreh's advocacy of human rights also extends to North Koreans and tends to support normalization of relations with the U.S. and have been critical of approaches towards improving the situation by encouraging system collapse such as the Lefkowitz approach and absorption by South Korea or by encouraging defections...Notwithstanding the newspaper's support for democracy, human rights, and free speech in South Korea, in June 2009, the Hankyoreh described the arrest and imprisonment of two US journalists in North Korea, condemned by Reporters Without Borders as a sham trial, as a "not entirely negative signal" of North Korea's openness to communicate."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hankyoreh

p.s. when you're going to offer "study" materials on North/South Korean relations, maybe the China Post isn't the most unbiased source. nor the East-West Center thingy with the bold-face note on the page that says "These narratives, which reflect interviewees’ personal perceptions, opinions and memories, may contain errors of fact."

[StopReferencing]

some South Koreans who are pro-unification are, in fact, pro North Korean, as is the stance of the Hankyoreh newspaper. from Wikipedia, from an entry clearly written by Hankyoreh staff:

"The Hankyoreh's advocacy of human rights also extends to North Koreans and tends to support normalization of relations with the U.S. and have been critical of approaches towards improving the situation by encouraging system collapse such as the Lefkowitz approach and absorption by South Korea or by encouraging defections...Notwithstanding the newspaper's support for democracy, human rights, and free speech in South Korea, in June 2009, the Hankyoreh described the arrest and imprisonment of two US journalists in North Korea, condemned by Reporters Without Borders as a sham trial, as a "not entirely negative signal" of North Korea's openness to communicate."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hankyoreh

p.s. when you're going to offer "study" materials on North/South Korean relations, maybe the China Post isn't the most unbiased source. nor the East-West Center thingy with the bold-face note on the page that says "These narratives, which reflect interviewees’ personal perceptions, opinions and memories, may contain errors of fact."

P.S. Citing Wikipedia; not academically infallible. You're not in a better position to make this argument than anyone else - why bother representing yourself as such?

Key phrase here being WHY BOTHER.

[ohsojayadeva]

Seriously the guy doesn't care, he is just in this for the argument. Look at how he keeps side stepping!