The Doom Room: ILF Edition

[Ancient Astronaught]

I'm getting the feeling that's the norm in all the forums I regularly visit.

Weber High Power series, 4 out of 5 are 80 watts and the Michigan is 100w all available in 4/8/16 and alnico or ceramic

Plus they're about the same price as the Emi's.

[D.o.S.]

Oh look at this guy he knows things about stuff I bet.

[Droneforbreakfast]

10's > 12's, that's all i can say.

[Ancient Astronaught]

Oh look at this guy he knows things about stuff I bet.

The only thing I know is where to look for speakers, 2 minutes on http://www.tedweber.com and I got that info. The guitar emi's are only 75w so these are a step up. Pair the 100w Michigans with 4 badass 50-65w speakers (weber 65's come to mind) and he'll be good to go.

[D.o.S.]

Fancy smart fancy man.

[Barracuda]

Doppel post as I has information needs.

While I had a nice delicious beverage and my wife ate taco's tonight, I was regaled with tales of her day and all I could think was-
"How can I wire up a 4x12/2x10 cab for 4ohms"

so, 4 8ohms can be 2ohms wired all para correct? just had cocktails. tequila is nummy. math not so much. so 2x10 at 4 each gives me 2ohms, in series, 4 total.

i have a ton of 8ohm 12's but will need some 10's and it seems after a quick look around that the emmy legends are the only good option? Is there something out there I am not seeing or aware of? they'll need to be able to handle some serious power as the 2 speaker side will be getting hit hard.

And yes this is for the freakishly awesome GK FH cab. Lately I've been hearing a thud sound out of it and I think the speakers are getting more than they can handle, and starting to show the wear and tear. It's lie they are reaching the limit of excursion and wacking whatever stops them.

I'm guessing the normal response from your typical Tele McStratofuck is that 10's are terrible for guitar, and the only option is vintage NOS who-gives-a-shit-speakers for warm, touch sensitive, transparent tone.

I'd go with Webers though, they have a lot of options. I dig Michigans, but I've never tried the 10's.

[Kacey Y]

I'm guessing the normal response from your typical Tele McStratofuck is that 10's are terrible for guitar, and the only option is vintage NOS who-gives-a-shit-speakers for warm, touch sensitive, transparent tone.

I'd go with Webers though, they have a lot of options. I dig Michigans, but I've never tried the 10's.

Actually, most of the guitarists I've known who used 10" loaded cabs were guys playing Fender guitars with really jangly tone. I'm sure you could make it work for any style with the right speaker/cab/amp combination and some work though. One of my old bands used to play with another local band that had that kind of tone going (Epiphone Dot or Jazzmaster into a Traynor head most of the time) with a couple of Marshall 410 cabs, but I don't know anything about the speakers that were in them. I assume they were stock, so probably some 80's or 90's Celestions, but he didn't play nearly as loud as most people here would and very clean with no pedals.

[AxAxSxS]

I'm looking at the emmy LEGENDBP102-4's rated at 200 watts each. I'm just not sure that having something rated lower is going to be an improvement as far as power handling goes. The way it will be wired up the 2x10's will see as much if not more than the 4x12's. The cab will be seeing lots of the CL400 and 69 Sunn1200s so I do want to make sure that they can handle it.
I bet the webers sound great, I just am looking for something that won't run the risk of crapping out under abuse from the heads I use.
I found this pic of how I'm thinking the wiring will work.


Edit: for those not tracking the cab I am talking about, it's an oddball, 4x12's rearfacing in a folded horn and 2x10's forward facing. Target is a 4ohm load that wont be overwhelmed by the heads.

[AxAxSxS]

and holy shit weber needs to update their website. Looked around, looks like they are not going to get me much more than 120 watts out of a pair and I think I would fry that like i'm doing to the ones that are in there.

[Ancient Astronaught]

and holy shit weber needs to update their website. Looked around, looks like they are not going to get me much more than 120 watts out of a pair and I think I would fry that like i'm doing to the ones that are in there.

At 100w each you'd have 200 a pair, there's two columns left (alnico) and right (ceramic). The ceramics have more power handling.

So your gonna run both heads into that cab? If so there's no need to do all that wiring just wires the 2 10's to one Jack and the 12's to the other. If your gonna use one at a time you might as well go all out and get bass speakers as anything else will implode under the cl400. Just beware those bp102's they have no high end at all the top range cuts out at 2khz which is basically your upper mids.

[t-rey]

Holy shit it's Beasley. Where did you disappear to after the whole hcfx ship sank?

I disappeared into life. Fuck life.

But seriously, after HCFX sank I became really, really busy. I somehow wandered into here, I had no idea y'all had got your own url Things have finally slowed down a bit since I went back to school this semester. I was out of the doom game for a while

Glad you found us bromigo, and yeah, fuck real life.

on the hashtag topic...i was reading some article about the divide between generations...some girl last year had tweeted something along the lines of :

"OMG, i just saw my dad's phone from the 90's and there was a hashtag button on it...i did my research and twitter wasn't around then...why did the phone have a hashtag on it...weird?!?"

also...i started watching Trailer Park boys last night...i really liked it...reminds me so much of Fubar...love that kind of humour!

I want to find that girl and hit her in the fucking face with a brick.

Trailer Park Boys is the shit. So good. Pretty soon you will meet Conky's avatar.

im suprised that snowflake wasnt bitching about how unfair it was that her dads brick had a "hashtag" botton.

[misterstomach]

i've posted this before, but i finally got the amazingly beautiful vinyl of this in the mail today. i haven't been able to afford to buy records for the most part for quite a while, but now that things are starting to level out i finally got to pick this up. my absolute favorite thing to come out in the past year or two. having the record and jamming it on the real stereo fucking rules. everyone should buy this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtkiAfB1oLk[/youtube]

[Barracuda]

I'm guessing the normal response from your typical Tele McStratofuck is that 10's are terrible for guitar, and the only option is vintage NOS who-gives-a-shit-speakers for warm, touch sensitive, transparent tone.

I'd go with Webers though, they have a lot of options. I dig Michigans, but I've never tried the 10's.

Actually, most of the guitarists I've known who used 10" loaded cabs were guys playing Fender guitars with really jangly tone. I'm sure you could make it work for any style with the right speaker/cab/amp combination and some work though. One of my old bands used to play with another local band that had that kind of tone going (Epiphone Dot or Jazzmaster into a Traynor head most of the time) with a couple of Marshall 410 cabs, but I don't know anything about the speakers that were in them. I assume they were stock, so probably some 80's or 90's Celestions, but he didn't play nearly as loud as most people here would and very clean with no pedals.

I guess that makes sense. I have just been fed up with always finding PGS videos for pedals lately and needed to lash out at "that crowd.". I swear Andy's voice makes veins pop out of my forehead.

[van_muddlestein]

Guys....tracked vocals for our next record today. I'm thrashed but I'm so stoked for new music to be out there sometime soon.

[AxAxSxS]

and holy shit weber needs to update their website. Looked around, looks like they are not going to get me much more than 120 watts out of a pair and I think I would fry that like i'm doing to the ones that are in there.

At 100w each you'd have 200 a pair, there's two columns left (alnico) and right (ceramic). The ceramics have more power handling.

So your gonna run both heads into that cab? If so there's no need to do all that wiring just wires the 2 10's to one Jack and the 12's to the other. If your gonna use one at a time you might as well go all out and get bass speakers as anything else will implode under the cl400. Just beware those bp102's they have no high end at all the top range cuts out at 2khz which is basically your upper mids.

No, just one at a time, I like to double the speakers power handling to the amps output so I don't have to worry about them blowing up. We all know these ratings can be a bit spurious. The 1200s is the loudest amp thats used for guitar at my disposal. Brian amp duder said he measured it over 150 but couldn't stand to turn it up all the way. so I think a bit more than that might be possible. The peavey classic 400 gets to play with that cab as well, but not at the same time.That thing claims 400 tube watts and considering the forest of glass inside, I believe em. As it is I am pretty conservative using the cab. once it starts to hit major speaker break up it looses some of what makes it sound so good. It's my theory that the weirdo cab configuration is what makes it sound so good, not the actual gk stock speakers. Cause, c'mon, gk. My hope is that some more robust speakers will let it sing at more extreme volumes, and let the amps open up a bit more.
I may be a bit nervous about this due to my past record of killing shitty cabs. Cabs don't like me sometimes it seems. I've learned to recognize the signs of distress and I'm starting to hear them in this one.

the high end drop off would be a bit of an issue, but this cabs all about the low end anyways. I have 8 12's working off the simms and the butcher to be tweeters.
It would be nice to find another option that's rated like the emmy's are but have better range. Iff it was just the 1200s, I think the webers would probably be fine. KVLT demands more.

On my third edit, wanted to thank Parker for the music I'm listening to, and looking forward to van muddy sounds.