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It's a little bright but such loud, much wow. Could even run on the dirt channel without a pedal pushing it and bring teh doomz. Very good amp for the money. It's surprisingly light too if you need to lug it around.




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those are decent amps. I think the issue with them not sounding great a lot has to do with some of the people currently buying them having no clue how to get a decent sound out of anything. I've seen Darren rock a shitty old solid state (LAB maybe?) with the Ape in front and it crushed the sound of some other bands with VERY spendy looking gear. Wasn't quite as tasty as the Soldano, but still big and raw sounding. In the fingers, yeah, but dialing in the best aspects of what an amp can do is a skill unto itself. All that said, I havn't jelled with any of the ones I tried. The Huge clean headroom head is where I like to start.

Fahk, was a bunch o other shite I wanted to spew, but I'm all in tonal contemplation mode now. We're playing a newish venue tomorrow and I just saw the space. It might be smaller than the Java Jive as far as how big the set up area is. tiny. How fit rigs? I no Know. Much problems.

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I've been on a solid state kick lately. I added a Concert Lead to my collection as well as an impulse buy on a Peavey 260 Standard (Greg Ginn style). I like how the take pedals, the immediacy of the low-end punch all good stuff. Not better than my Matamp's, just different.
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I wonder why a lot of the older solid state stuff just seems to sound better than what is being put out now. ACC and sunn gear is a safe bet for the most part, hell I've got a tiny pressboard ss amp from sears or something that I got at goodwill, and it's not remotely loud but it gets this killer breakup and would slay for an old school satanic blues thing. I wonder if it's the simplistic approach that seems to make it sound fuller. I know the ACC 150's I fucked with aren't that crazy inside. looks like just enough to do what it needs to.
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that was when companies gave a shit. before beancounters killed innovation
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whiskey_face wrote:that was when companies gave a shit. before beancounters killed innovation


Wait...beancounters do nothing of the kind...if you mean finance people, of which i am one, we dont kill innovation, thats done by the people running the company. In a private company, thats the CEO who's usually the founder and in public its board of directors acting on behalf of the stockholders.

What finance people do is make sure the books are kept clean and support the leaders in their decisions and make sure leaders have the best information at hand to make decisions.

Greed kills innovation. The CEO or founder wanting to skip quality to make more money is not a decision finance makes
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AxAxSxS wrote:
Fahk, was a bunch o other shite I wanted to spew, but I'm all in tonal contemplation mode now. We're playing a newish venue tomorrow and I just saw the space. It might be smaller than the Java Jive as far as how big the set up area is. tiny. How fit rigs? I no Know. Much problems.

Oh yeah!, Bich Classic exotic Mockingbirds, anyone have one? play one? they look tittys.



Ha! I saw that "stage" last week and immediately thought, 'no fluxxin' way'.
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i think he means people
whos sole concern is gathering money
for themselves
unless your crazy rich samz?
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samzadgan wrote:
whiskey_face wrote:that was when companies gave a shit. before beancounters killed innovation


Greed kills innovation.



this is a much more eloquent way of putting it brother. :hug:

I didn't mean to offend at all.
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No offence taken whiskey...i think my post came across a bit narky...didn't mean to.

But i do agree with the greed side, it sucks because I've seen it at work too. When i use to work in a magazine company and watching the editor go from "all about the art" which was great, and then 2 years later he's asking me for advice on outsourcing staff and syndicated content rather than keeping true to the ethics of the mag...end of the day he had a bonus based on profit, and when he became greedy he was thinking about what he could buy with the increased bonus rather than the team working for him or the quality of the magazine.

Its very rare to find people who will be true to the art of whatever business they are in, especially when the money starts to roll in...its just human nature i guess.

On the amp side of things...i think back in the 80's they just had a much simpler circuit...i find these days solid state amps are over complicated and sound very Hi-Fi'ish...which is not great for playing guitar when you want all those dynamics and warmth to come through.

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When those solid state/transistor guitar and bass amps originally came out, it was pretty much the consensus that they were going to replace tube amps—just like they did for nearly all other applications. So I think that they took great care with he first wave to make them sound as good as they could.

When the hype softened and it eventually became clear that guitar players would still demand tube amplifiers, solid state became relegated to a lower-profile segment of amplifier universe. Thus, much less time, energy, and overall R&D resulted in less thoughtful solid state designs from then on.

(I totally just pulled that out of my butthole, but decided to express it with authority so I would sound like I knew what I was talking about.)
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Jäke wrote:When those solid state/transistor guitar and bass amps originally came out, it was pretty much the consensus that they were going to replace tube amps—just like they did for nearly all other applications. So I think that they took great care with he first wave to make them sound as good as they could.

When the hype softened and it eventually became clear that guitar players would still demand tube amplifiers, solid state became relegated to a lower-profile segment of amplifier universe. Thus, much less time, energy, and overall R&D resulted in less thoughtful solid state designs from then on.

(I totally just pulled that out of my butthole, but decided to express it with authority so I would sound like I knew what I was talking about.)

Until the hybrid amp came along.
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samzadgan wrote:No offence taken whiskey...i think my post came across a bit narky...didn't mean to.



Summit...dude, i wish i was rich...i would be proper doom equivalent of a blues lawyer! A new breed of doom-accountant!



:hug:

once I get my hands on an alembic dragonwing im pretty sure ill be lawyer blues doom dildos :lol:




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I think there's a technical reason too...those old solid state amps still had big transformers, the modern solid state amps will have a shit ton of watts and weigh nothing because they've got tiny transformers. The modern amps just aren't nearly as loud as the old ones despite the huge wattage numbers. My 100 watt beta lead is as loud as 100 watt tube amps and unlike modern solid state, it actually sounds good when pushed hard. The low end on modern solid state amps is this round, mushy garbage and it's a transformer thing, that big chunk of iron really matters.
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My amp that John mentioned is a Lab Series L4. 200 watt solid stater. This thing rides around in the trailer as the backup amp. I play an SLO and Aaron plays a JCM800 2210. That Lab Series has saved both of our asses on more than one occasion. Not simultaneously of course! We can both pretty well nail our tone with thing though and it's been a real life saver. It also saved me when I blew up my Bassman 135 at the Crocodile one time. And I never thought about it before, but the thing's heavy as a boat anchor.
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