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AxAxSxS wrote:I dont understand the allure of adding a preamp from an amp thats loud and clean. just get a loud clean amp?

I'm thinking about adding a blend to a Naga Viper. Anyone done this? I initially got it as a boost, but I like the sort of nasal whine thing it does in the high end register, and end up with it on more often than not. The only problem is it basically chops off the low end. I'm thinking being able to mix some of it back in would be nice, and would make this less of an all or nothing tone shaping option. Does this make sense?


Not to sound totally stupid, but does it still chop off the low end if you run it into something else?

As for adding a blend there's always the LS-2.


I only find mine chops the low end if I have it set too far to pure treble boost. Mine was put together by greyscales, and I find the range knob is a little weird (like too much turn that doesn't do anything) but I don't find it gets muddy when I turn it to full range boost. For some reason I was under the impression the range knob was just a blend type control for the low end anyway. :idk: Mine likes to be run with dirt...
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I don't see why soma would need that preamp pedal.
He has at least one if not 50 model t's I'm sure.
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Nope your good, I've been listening to MC non-stop since monday......

Now if it makes you want a Bugera 1960... then you might be diseased.



It didn't, but I still use it.

Mournful used the Bogner/Line 6 Alchemist and a Marshall JVM 410h on all their recordings.
But Damon told me they're all looking into Engl now since they used it on their back line on a tour.
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TempusEdaxRerum wrote:I don't see why soma would need that preamp pedal.
He has at least one if not 50 model t's I'm sure.


To the best of my knowledge they've been using rented backlines for a few years (edit: like a decade almost), at least, so there's probably some impetus there.
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Well,even if that's true. I'm sure he owns at least one. And in any case it seems he will always have access to one.
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The fact that Sunn rents backlines is definitely true -- whether or not they had one as far back as, uh, 2006 is the part that remains tentative. I can't remember.
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TempusEdaxRerum wrote:I don't see why soma would need that preamp pedal.
He has at least one if not 50 model t's I'm sure.


I believe he has somewhere in the range of 10-12 Model T's at any given time. They've posted studio photo's before with 10 amps stacked on top of each other, whether their his or Greg's or a combo of each of their collections is up in the air.

TempusEdaxRerum wrote:It didn't, but I still use it.

Mournful used the Bogner/Line 6 Alchemist and a Marshall JVM 410h on all their recordings.
But Damon told me they're all looking into Engl now since they used it on their back line on a tour.


Ha!! I like this guy.

That's a weird setup but their recorded tones sound great. Their delay'd guitar solo tones are eerily similar to what I use, that makes me happy.

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TempusEdaxRerum wrote:I don't see why soma would need that preamp pedal.
He has at least one if not 50 model t's I'm sure.


To the best of my knowledge they've been using rented backlines for a few years (edit: like a decade almost), at least, so there's probably some impetus there.


That's what I'm thinking it was due to rented backlines and possibly for a DI signal to FOH.
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Yeah, I was surprised their amazing tone came from a line 6 hybrid combo amp.
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confession time: All those funeral doom bands sound the same to me (aka like Type O Negative but sometimes with violins). What albums should I listen to to correct this?
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HeavyXIII wrote:
D.o.S. wrote:
AxAxSxS wrote:I dont understand the allure of adding a preamp from an amp thats loud and clean. just get a loud clean amp?

I'm thinking about adding a blend to a Naga Viper.....


Not to sound totally stupid, but does it still chop off the low end if you run it into something else?

As for adding a blend there's always the LS-2.


I only find mine chops the low end if I have it set too far to pure treble boost. Mine was put together by greyscales, and I find the range knob is a little weird (like too much turn that doesn't do anything) but I don't find it gets muddy when I turn it to full range boost. For some reason I was under the impression the range knob was just a blend type control for the low end anyway. :idk: Mine likes to be run with dirt...


On mine, the range knob has a great effect across the scale, and even at the lowest setting, it still behaves like an aggressive high pass filter.(possibly confused on hp v lp) At the same time it boosts and colors the mids and highs in a way I really like,. For tight fast parts, it's perfect. for for slower atmospheric parts, it's to much of a loss on the low end and sounds a little thin. Still great when I get up into the higher bits, but the low notes and chords lack. It'd be fine if the difference was not so dramatic, which is why I'm thinking about a blend option.


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TempusEdaxRerum wrote:I don't see why soma would need that preamp pedal.
He has at least one if not 50 model t's I'm sure.


To the best of my knowledge they've been using rented backlines for a few years (edit: like a decade almost), at least, so there's probably some impetus there.

I guess it would make sense if the backline was some high gain modern bs and you just wanted to bypass the pre amp? Again, I'd just bring preferred head but I'm not dealing with traveling on that scale.
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D.o.S. wrote:confession time: All those funeral doom bands sound the same to me (aka like Type O Negative but sometimes with violins). What albums should I listen to to correct this?


Mournful Congregation - The Book of Kings/Monad of Creation

Colosseum - chapter 1 delirium

Ahab - The call of the wretched sea

esoteric - the maniacal vale

Aldebaran - buried beneath aeons

Catacombs - in the depths of rlyeh

Etc... All very unique bands
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Oh, yeah, Esoteric is awesome. I didn't realize they were considered Funeral Doom. I'll check those other albums out tomorrow while I'm working. Thanks!

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If you're into esoteric, also check out similar bands Station Dysthymia and Septic Mind. Both are Russian trippy spacey funeral doom.
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There's also my old funeral doom "band" from 2007
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AxAxSxS wrote:
HeavyXIII wrote:
D.o.S. wrote:
AxAxSxS wrote:I dont understand the allure of adding a preamp from an amp thats loud and clean. just get a loud clean amp?

I'm thinking about adding a blend to a Naga Viper.....


Not to sound totally stupid, but does it still chop off the low end if you run it into something else?

As for adding a blend there's always the LS-2.


I only find mine chops the low end if I have it set too far to pure treble boost. Mine was put together by greyscales, and I find the range knob is a little weird (like too much turn that doesn't do anything) but I don't find it gets muddy when I turn it to full range boost. For some reason I was under the impression the range knob was just a blend type control for the low end anyway. :idk: Mine likes to be run with dirt...


On mine, the range knob has a great effect across the scale, and even at the lowest setting, it still behaves like an aggressive high pass filter.(possibly confused on hp v lp) At the same time it boosts and colors the mids and highs in a way I really like,. For tight fast parts, it's perfect. for for slower atmospheric parts, it's to much of a loss on the low end and sounds a little thin. Still great when I get up into the higher bits, but the low notes and chords lack. It'd be fine if the difference was not so dramatic, which is why I'm thinking about a blend option.


I think it's either the value of the pot or the way the caps are wired up to it causing mine to act wonky. All my usable range that doesn't cut bass is in the last quarter turn of the knob. Still, I find mine to push a fair amount of bass on the max setting..I wonder if there are more differences between mine and an actual Catalinbread one that I'm unaware of?

I guess to be fair too, I don't leave mine on all the time anymore either. Usually when I need chords to cut more or to thicken up my other dirt pedal. It adds a nice little "oomph" placed after my OCD. Really depends on where I want to be in the mix next to our other guitarist and bassist.
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