Guys.... let's lighten the mood a bit.

[DarkAxel]

I wonder what Spunkie and Sammie's baby is gonna look like.

me too, I heard they have booked him three sold out nights already opening for Nirvana, the Doors, Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin.

FUCK

SHIT MAN

that was DARK

[SPACERITUAL]

However, I also feel strongly that the woman is the only person to make the decision

I disagree for completely different reasons that anyone ive ever spoken to considers. I really believe that if an accident happens and the women still chooses to go through with the birth, the male should be consulted, and should he object, there should be some kind of legal hand washing allowed where he eschews any legal claim or responsibility to the child. If its YOUR baby and YOUR body, pay for it YOURSELF.

i hear that a lot and i see where it's coming from, but i still disagree

the way i see it, men know there's at least some pregnancy risk when they put their dick in something. freeze some sperm for later and get a vasectomy, i guess ? if someone carries a pregnancy to term the man didn't want, then they're pretty much SOL. obviously they won't have to have custody or anything, so it's not like they're getting the short end of the stick. if she's raising the child alone and he chooses to be a deadbeat, the least he can do is pay some child support. although dna testing should be mandatory in these cases, obviously.

and no, child support payments are not usually exorbitant. although i don't doubt that occasionally people are made to pay a lot, i'm pretty confident that it's the minority. average child support payments are 350 a month, median is 280.

Thats a pretty biased argument. If the man doesnt want custody or contact, why the fuck should he have to pay? The woman is advised that hes against the pregnancy, so shes making a financially irresponsible decision to go through with it. And why the fuck is a man a deadbeat if he doesnt want anything to do with that mistake? There are so many arguments against becoming a parent when you arent 100% ready its not even funny. Also why is it the mans responsibility to HAVE SURGERY when all you have to do is take a fucking pill?



Oh and you dont think 350 a month is high? What golden ivory jewel-encrusted tower do you live in....Have you ever worked for a living???? Try coming home a 7am all beat up bruised and dead tired just to realize "oh yeah i dont get my paycheck this week because jesus said abortions are bad". Fuuuuuuck that shit. For referance, a years worth of child support payments could get you TWELVE MEGALITHS, or a custom shop bass vi and TWO DWARFCRAFT PEDALS, oooooor A MEATSMOKE AND A SQUIER TELE, ooor A PRS IF YOURE A DOUCHEBAG, ooooooooor, AN AVRI JAZZY, A TWIN REVERB, AND A TAFM, FUCK OVERDRIVE, AND YEAR 4545.

[Doodahman1969]

And redneck children who stand in my way at best buy.

throw a bone and theyll run after it.



ZING

Or a dale jr hat.....

Fuck that shit I have a YL Dale Jr. shirt I wear all the time. With daisy dukes.

[SPACERITUAL]

YL Dale Jr. shirt I wear all the time. With daisy dukes.

Lets fuck.

[unownunown]

Thats a pretty biased argument. If the man doesnt want custody or contact, why the fuck should he have to pay? The woman is advised that hes against the pregnancy, so shes making a financially irresponsible decision to go through with it. And why the fuck is a man a deadbeat if he doesnt want anything to do with that mistake? There are so many arguments against becoming a parent when you arent 100% ready its not even funny. Also why is it the mans responsibility to HAVE SURGERY when all you have to do is take a fucking pill?



Oh and you dont think 350 a month is high? What golden ivory jewel-encrusted tower do you live in....Have you ever worked for a living???? Try coming home a 7am all beat up bruised and dead tired just to realize "oh yeah i dont get my paycheck this week because jesus said abortions are bad". Fuuuuuuck that shit. For referance, a years worth of child support payments could get you TWELVE MEGALITHS, or a custom shop bass vi and TWO DWARFCRAFT PEDALS, oooooor A MEATSMOKE AND A SQUIER TELE, ooor A PRS IF YOURE A DOUCHEBAG, ooooooooor, AN AVRI JAZZY, A TWIN REVERB, AND A TAFM, FUCK OVERDRIVE, AND YEAR 4545.

i mean like, if you really never ever want to deal with the possibility of having kids as a man, get snipped. birth control is a two way street, and if she's not taking the pill or using condoms then obviously she's being risky too. but it can't be all the woman's fault that she got pregnant, for obvious reasons.

sorry, i misused deadbeat. a deadbeat by definition is a parent who avoids paying child support. so he's not necessarily a deadbeat, but he is an irresponsible asshole.

dude, i said 350 wasn't exorbitant. it's not pennies, but you guys were making it out like people just sit at home and watch sitcoms on their child support money. raising a kid is fucking expensive. if you really never want to deal with the possibility of having a kid, get snipped. it costs about two months of child support too, so it's more 'financially responsible' than running around with a ticking time bombs in your balls. if a man knocks someone up there's no line of logic that supports him having absolutely no responsibility to the livelihood of that child because it's partially his. he doesn't have to house or actually help raise the child. he only has to pay. i don't think that's unfair at all. raising kids is hard work.

[SPACERITUAL]

Of course its the womans fault. Its HER body and HER baby, right? The man has no say whatsoever, right? Its his fault if she gets pregnant because he should have to cut off one of his testicles instead of her taking a free pill everyday. right? So why the fuck should the man have any obligation. I like how you go on and on about how hard it is to raise a kidon your own, shouldnt that factor into the equation when making the decision to HAVE the fucking thing? No, of course not, because women have no responsibility to anyone but themselves. Its all the mans fault. 100%. Seriously you dont think 350 is exorbitant? I swear kids these days think money grows on trees.

[plhogan]

[plhogan]

If you stick your dick in something it's your fucking responsibility.

I agree that men are just as much to "blame" for a pregnancy as women. How could it be otherwise?

But your policy of responsibility goes both ways. To women you should also say: If you spread for somebody, you're taking a chance, and if you end up preggers, don't act surprised. Deal.

The asshole who knocked up my 19 year old sister

See, this is what I don't get. You're sort of phrasing it like this guy (who I don't doubt is an asshole) somehow got your (legally adult) sister pregnant without her knowledge or consent. Almost as if he played a mean trick on her and she didn't understand what was happening. Unless your sister was raped or is mentally retarded, I don't see how this could be 100% the asshole's fault. It's not something he did to her, it's something they did together. Him fleeing the scene like a coward is something he did by himself, but the pregnancy is 50/50.

I'm not saying at all my sister doesn't have a part in this, the guy was 26 and I think he took advantage of her youth but she still made that decision too, but to say that she should be in a position of either HAVING AN ABORTION or be completely unsupported is bullshit. You dont get to change your mind after the fact. Honestly it's fucking astonishing to me to even have to explain that.

[unownunown]

Of course its the womans fault. Its HER body and HER baby, right? The man has no say whatsoever, right? Its his fault if she gets pregnant because he should have to cut off one of his testicles instead of her taking a free pill everyday. right? So why the fuck should the man have any obligation. I like how you go on and on about how hard it is to raise a kidon your own, shouldnt that factor into the equation when making the decision to HAVE the fucking thing? No, of course not, because women have no responsibility to anyone but themselves. Its all the mans fault. 100%. Seriously you dont think 350 is exorbitant? I swear kids these days think money grows on trees.

i specifically said it wasn't all his fault. it takes two people to get pregnant. why the fuck would it only be the woman's responsibility to use birth control? birth control is a shared responsibility. it's HER body and HER ovaries and HIS sperm and HER womb. but if he absolutely does not want to have kids, then he should make it so he absolutely can not have kids. same goes for any woman who does not want to have kids period. what's difficult about that part?

it's hard to raise a kid PERIOD. i didn't say as a single parent because it doesn't even matter. even for parents who wanted kids, it's just hard.

you're totally reading like 40% (generously) of what i'm writing.

i can't believe people still think like this in the 21st century.

[SPACERITUAL]

Also, seriously fuck you Spaceritual. A baby is not a fucking financially irresponsible decision, it's a godamn human life. Forcing a girl to have an aborton is so fucked up I can't believe you're suggesting it.

Uh yeah, actually it is. If you can afford to have a child youre going to end up a financial burden on your family, potentially friends, and definately on the government. Dont you think that oh maybe you should wait until you have the income to make sure its "goddamn human life" is a comfortable one at least? I never suggested forcing an abortion on anyone, but if you arent able to raise the child, you shouldnt force the fucking burden of it on anyone. Give it up for adoption if you want, but legislating that i have to financially support your reckless, idiot crusade to take some nonexistant moral highground is bullshit. Also, seriously, fuck you too.

Of course its the womans fault. Its HER body and HER baby, right? The man has no say whatsoever, right? Its his fault if she gets pregnant because he should have to cut off one of his testicles instead of her taking a free pill everyday. right? So why the fuck should the man have any obligation. I like how you go on and on about how hard it is to raise a kidon your own, shouldnt that factor into the equation when making the decision to HAVE the fucking thing? No, of course not, because women have no responsibility to anyone but themselves. Its all the mans fault. 100%. Seriously you dont think 350 is exorbitant? I swear kids these days think money grows on trees.

i specifically said it wasn't all his fault. it takes two people to get pregnant. why the fuck would it only be the woman's responsibility to use birth control? birth control is a shared responsibility. it's HER body and HER ovaries and HIS sperm and HER womb. but if he absolutely does not want to have kids, then he should make it so he absolutely can not have kids. same goes for any woman who does not want to have kids period. what's difficult about that part?

it's hard to raise a kid PERIOD. i didn't say as a single parent because it doesn't even matter. even for parents who wanted kids, it's just hard.

you're totally reading like 40% (generously) of what i'm writing.

i can't believe people still think like this in the 21st century.

I like how you go back and reinterpret the entire tone of your argument based on my response. Youre no good at this you know that right?

[plhogan]

Meh

[plhogan]

Egh

[SPACERITUAL]

This is all academic for Spaceritual anyways, I don't believe for a second that you've ever had sex, touched a women, or been over 16. Nothing you've ever said indicates that you're anything but a troll in your mom's basement creating a fantasy life where you get to be super hip and not give a fuck.

Die in a fire, asshole. If you're actually a taxpaying adult I weep for society.

Why dont morons ever just bow out quietly when theyre soundly beaten. They always have to get all fucking a priori....

[plhogan]

eh

[Doodahman1969]

YL Dale Jr. shirt I wear all the time. With daisy dukes.

Lets fuck.

As long as slip me X before hand AND we huff the rag AND you pin me against the subwoofer while blaring ''Little Freak'' in a Country Kitchen parking lot.

Also, this guy is going to tape it. I like to gett paid when I fuk.